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Quotation marks?

The following is a closed discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was do not move, per WP:MOSTM. Jafeluv (talk) 16:44, 27 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Love and Theft → "Love and Theft" — I moved this because I thought is was misnamed, and then I saw that the quotes are part of the actual title - NJGW (talk) 00:07, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Has anyone else noticed that on the album cover, and on bobdylan.com, the title of the album is written with quotes, "Love and Theft"? Meanwhile, none of his other albums are notated thusly. Should thisl page be moved to "Love and Theft" so as to accurately get the album's name? Tix 22:29, 15 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think that the quotation marks are part of the title. The page should be moved back.Alcuin (talk) 19:53, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Bloody "Se7en" syndrome. If it means anything Bob Dot Com doesn't have them in the title on their entry anymore. Applemask (talk) 23:05, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed and moved back. However, since there has been a long standing debate about this, without a firm resolution in the wikiproject albums style entry, I've left a question for the wikiproject, where those interested should comment. +sj + 05:37, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:MOSTM. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:17, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I would tend to oppose using quotation marks. They seem to be a stylistic flair that WP:MOSTM says to eschew. Other albums with quotes on the album covers such as MCMXC a.D. - "The Limited Edition", "Addictions": Volume 1, "Youthquake", and "Erasure" also don't have quotes in their Wikipedia titles. I have also posted notice of this discussion at WT:ALBUMS. — AjaxSmack 00:49, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Problem with link

In the paragraph:

"In the article published in the Journal, a line from "Floater" ("I'm not quite as cool or forgiving as I sound") was traced to a line in the book, which said "I'm not as cool or forgiving as I might have sounded." A number of other examples were listed, all of which can be found at http://www.dylanchords.com/41_lat/textual_sources.htm"

The URL does not work - it gives a 404 error.

kot quote

The opening track, "'Tweedle Dee & Tweedle Dum, includes many references to parades in Mardi Gras in New Orleans, where participants are masked, and "determined to go all the way" of the parade route, in spite of being intoxicated. It rolls in like a storm, drums galloping over the horizon into ear shot, guitar riffs slicing with terse dexterity while a tale about a pair of vagabonds unfolds," writes Kot.

first of all, there should be another single quotation mark to close the title, if indeed that whole thing is part of the kot quote. second, ok, there's a parade in the song, but i see nothing else that suggests this song is about mardi gras. seriously, i'm supposed to believe that "determined to go all the way" just means all the way through a parade? --Progjunky 01:55, 6 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cleanup

Hi, I've tagged the article ready for cleanup. The main points which need addressing are:

There are lots of quotes - probably too many! Much of their content could be summarized in the text without directly quoting.
The citations are quite poor at the moment. Lots of work needs to be done to find the sources for all the information in the article. I've marked most of the places I think could use a reference.
The references that are already there need converting to inline citations.
The Miscellanea section should be converted to prose and possibly merged into the main text.

Thanks - Alex valavanis 09:14, 17 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Production credits

Please can a knowledgeable person add details to the Personnel section? Production details should be there according to WP:ALBUM B-class guidelines. Thanks Papa November 23:49, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Plagiarism

Perhaps using the word "plagiarism" is unnecessarily inflammatory. The WSJ article doesn't actually use that word. It's not uncommon for blues singers to use lines that other people wrote; blues and folk songs have traditionally always been under a sort of public ownership. The author of the book itself also didn't complain: he felt honored to be a source of inspiration. 77.250.97.191 (talk) 19:44, 18 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Y A reasonably complete infobox
Y A lead section giving an overview of the album
Y A track listing
Y Reference to at least primary personnel by name (must specify performers on the current album; a band navbox is insufficient)
Y Categorisation at least by artist and year

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Y All the start class criteria
Y A reasonably complete infobox, including cover art
Y At least one section of prose (in addition to the lead section)
Y A track listing containing track lengths and authors for all songs
Y A "personnel" section listing performers, including guest musicians.

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Y All the C class criteria
Y A completed infobox, including cover art and most technical details
N A full list of personnel, including technical personnel and guest musicians
N No obvious issues with sourcing, including the use of blatantly improper sources.
Y No significant issues exist to hamper readability, although it may not rigorously follow WP:MOS

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September 11 attacks

The album was released on the same day of the September 11 attacks, yet nothing about that fact is in the article. The book Tearing the World Apart has a chapter about how Love and Theft was received in the wake of the attacks. Others have written about it, for instance a reporter for McAlester News-Capital in Oklahoma. Far Out magazine wrote about all the music unfortunately scheduled for release that day. It's a thing. Binksternet (talk) 16:19, 12 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]