Talk:Society

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 22:06, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

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• ... that 14th century sociologist Ibn Khaldun described society as having two fundamental forms: nomadic and sedentary? Source: Khaldun, an Arab living in the 14th century, understood society, along with the rest of the universe, as having "meaningful configuration", with its perceived randomness attributable to hidden causes. Khaldun conceptualized social structures as having two fundamental forms: nomadic and sedentary. Nomadic life has high social cohesion (asabijja), which Khaldun argued arose from kinship, shared customs, and a shared need for defense. Sedentary life, in Khaldun's view, was marked by secularization, decreased social cohesion, and increased interest in luxury
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Improved to Good Article status by Of the universe (talk). Self-nominated at 04:24, 7 February 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Society; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

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QPQ: None required.

Overall: Recent GA in very good shape, I don't see any issues with sourcing, tone, or copyvio (excluding wikimirrors). The hook is cited and in the article but I think it could be more interesting. Is there anything zestier we can use? BuySomeApples (talk) 05:43, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

As an aside, awesome job getting this to GA! This is a really important topic. BuySomeApples (talk) 05:47, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! How about "Did you know that because human society features far more complex cooperation than bands of other primates, biologists including E.O. Wilson have argued that humans, like ants, are eusocial?" Of the universe (talk) 19:35, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

That's better @Of the universe: but it's a bit wordy and might not be clear to most readers. Is there a way to simplify it and shorten it a bit? BuySomeApples (talk) 02:08, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Not much shorter, but maybe clearer to the casual reader: "Did you know that human society has far more complex cooperation than groups of other primates, leading some biologists to compare human sociability to eusocial insects like ants?" Of the universe (talk) 16:23, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

This article is a cornucopia of DYKable facts – we can do better!

• ALT1c: ...that some biologists, observing society, place humans in the highest sociability category — and others disagree?
• ALT2: ...that the word for society was derived from the Latin noun socius, meaning "friend"?
• ALT3: ...that adults in hunter gatherer societies work three to five hours per day, leading to their designation as the "original affluent society"?
• ALT4: ...that pastoral societies are more likely than hunter gatherer societies to have multiple communities, because they tend to develop in open areas where movement is easy, enabling political integration?
• ALT5: ...that the use of trade in prehistoric society is thought to have given humans an evolutionary advantage over Neanderthals?
• ALT6: ...that human societies with strong norms against violence have reduced the homicide rate from 2% of deaths (in prehistoric society) to 0.01%?

Take your pick! {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 17:10, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! That's very helpful! Yeah, let's go with ALT4 -- Of the universe (talk) 22:20, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Approving all ALTs because they're cited, interesting and in the article (thank you @Sdkb:! AGF on ALT4 because I can't access the book right now. BuySomeApples (talk) 23:25, 8 February 2024

I have a question @Sdkb: should this article get approved, when would it appear on the Main Page? — Alex26337 (talk) 06:24, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

It varies, but typically between a week and a month. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 06:34, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Non-human societies

I notice that the collage (and to a lesser extent, the lead) includes non-human societies, whereas the body of the article is basically only about human society (the biology discussion mentions other animals, but only in comparison to humans). Is there another article that could be better-suited to discuss non-human society? I'd recommend placing an {{About}} hatnote for that at the top, and then focusing exclusively on human society here. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 17:21, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Agreed this article should focus on human societies. I'm not sure whether non-human societies are really a notable subject? I didn't come across any discussion of that in all my reading for this article. I'll remove fish from the photos in the side bar. Cheers, Of the universe (say hello) 00:22, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Illustrations

Overall, I very much like the illustrations selected for this article. There are a few unillustrated sections where it seems we could probably fairly easily find good pictures, though. Namely, #Pastoral society, #Industrial society, #Gender and kinship (people doing an action associated with a traditional gender role), and #Conflict. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 17:24, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Good suggestions! I added one for pastoral society, industrial society and gender and kinship (did family instead of gender). I'm not sure what to add for conflict. Cheers, Of the universe (say hello) 00:21, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

I tried out a painting of Napoleon's retreat for that section, and made a few other image tweaks. They'll all need alt text if this goes toward FAC (which I hope it will!). Cheers, Sdkb ^talk 06:09, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Introduction and needs of society

Introduction and needs of society 2400:1A00:B060:949F:E5DC:2E16:E08E:3733 (talk) 15:27, 22 April 2024 (UTC)