Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dr. Jerry Griffin
This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was ambiguous.
After discounting the anonymous and extremely new user votes and the probable troll vote, all the remaining voters either abstained or said "delete". However, two of those gave confusing comments that the article should be "deleted and redirected" to Jerry Griffin. Reviewing the two articles, I find them to be related. The Dr. Jerry Griffin version appears to have been created by a cut-and-paste move by the anonymous author of Jerry Griffin (who has made no additional edits to either article since).
The only verified fact in the article is the statement of authorship. The book does not have a separate Wikipedia article (and with a current Amazon sales ranking of 1,205,305 probably should not). Reviewing the criteria for inclusion of biographies, I can not convince myself that an author of a single book of this stature (and with no other claim to notability or other mitigating circumstances) meets the recommended threshold for inclusion.
I am going to call this decision as a "delete". Further, I am going to consider the Jerry Griffin version as "an associated sub-page" and delete it as well. Rossami (talk) 23:28, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Non-notable, vanity page. 128.122.89.119 20:35, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC) (users 2nd edit -Scimitar 20:47, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC))
- Abstain. I think this might be deleted as unverifiable; I haven't been able to confirm anything except that a Dr. Jerry Griffin exists. However, the reasons listed (notability, vanity) are invalid if the information contained is true) --Scimitar 20:47, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Really? If someone puts out a book through a novelty press and gives a copy to the Library of Congress, that makes then notable enough for inclusion in an encyclopedia? 128.122.129.4 22:54, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- No, but his was not a vanity press book. It was published by a division of Greenwood Press (a publisher with over 18,000 titles in print) and is still listed by major booksellers 14 years later (it was released in 1991). The vast majority of books never make it beyond the second printing. I think that makes him notable enough for a short article (which this one is not). DS1953 00:47, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- OK. 128.122.89.119 15:16, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- No, but his was not a vanity press book. It was published by a division of Greenwood Press (a publisher with over 18,000 titles in print) and is still listed by major booksellers 14 years later (it was released in 1991). The vast majority of books never make it beyond the second printing. I think that makes him notable enough for a short article (which this one is not). DS1953 00:47, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Really? If someone puts out a book through a novelty press and gives a copy to the Library of Congress, that makes then notable enough for inclusion in an encyclopedia? 128.122.129.4 22:54, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- weak keep if someone coudl please verify this Yuckfoo 20:48, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Comment: searching on the Library of Congress catalog it seems his name is actually Gerald R. Griffin [1]. They have two copies of his book Machiavelli on Management. David
| Talk 22:05, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC) - Delete and redirect to Jerry Griffin which has essentially the same content, His book Machiavelli on management : playing and winning the corporate power game is listed on almost all the major book sellers (Amazon, Barnes & Noble) which leads me to a weak keep for the Jerry Griffin article but the article needs to be much more encyclopedic (i.e.,, cut out all the fuzzy stuff like writing a ballad). DS1953 22:17, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Delete Vanity page. Hohokus 23:24, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- User's 26th edit, 9 of which are VFD votes. Kaibabsquirrel 22:37, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Delete and redirect to Jerry Griffin.Capitalistroadster 01:14, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Delete vanity. JamesBurns 03:04, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Delete vanity. Spotteddogsdotorg 14:55, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.