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I was referred to this page by the article about board game designer Klaus Teuber. This page has very little to say about board games. The disparity should be addressed; either add some material about board game design or rename this article. 165.91.64.108 (talk)RKH —Preceding comment was added at 04:41, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This was discussed before, in a discussion that's been archived. Content for this site is submitted by users. If no one is willing to submit material on board game design, there's really nothing we can do about it. It's not like anyone makes money submitting content to the site. So, someday someone may add material about board game design. But for now, all we can do is shrug our shoulders. — Frecklefσσt | Talk 17:44, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Notable video and computer game designers"

Look, I've been watching this page for months. There have been dozens upon dozens of times when someone's added a designer, only to have it reverted. The distinction of what's "notable" is unclear and if it's in here, it'll just be perpetually being added and reverted. Who's to say what designer is notable or not notable? So, I just put a link to the list of video game designers.

Don't revert the edit. Choosing about a dozen designers at random as being "notable" was just stupid. Kevin (talk) 22:02, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I think it made sense at the time. But you're suggestion to remove it now is a good one. I'll go ahead and do it. — Frecklefσσt | Talk 12:59, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I removed both lists and moved over any entries to the other lists. — Frecklefσσt | Talk 13:16, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

All that the new entries needed was a consensus on the talk page. I rv your edits because you need a consensus to do such a significant change too.
If you have new suggestions for the list, go ahead and propose them.--Svetovid (talk) 19:48, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That's the whole problem: no one agrees on what constitutes "notable". I say Will Wright deserves to be on the list because of his enormously successful games, but another editor says he doesn't because all he really created were "digital toys", not games. And fanboy editor demands that Phred ObscureGenre has to be on the list because he created the first game to have a llama as the hero. The debates just go on and on. It's just better to link to all the lists. — Frecklefσσt | Talk 20:09, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm actually for removing the lists entirely. A list of notable designers can easily be created using categories, as designers that are truly notable should be able to have their own articles. For this article, though, it's really only appropriate to point out a few examples, and even that's not truly necessary. What the lists do is distract editors from working on what should be the core of the article. Just look at the edit history. Basic things like citing sources or improving flow are are generally neglected, with most edits essentially squabbling over who's worthy to be mentioned on some Wikipedia "short list" of designers. The list isn't even that short, anymore. Dancter (talk) 20:15, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I support the removal. Without definite conditions to determine who is notable, an editor would be tempted to put in designers who has only a single hit game (which might even be a flash in the pan). We could:

Establish a list of conditions. The problem is we are not qualified to judge. However, whatever we state as qualities for "notable game designer" would be original research.
Change the notable list to "Examples of notable game designers". Explicitly state the list is only a few examples (one or two). The examples would be selected from the West and the East by category, or generation of video games. We would still get into "Hasashi is more notable than Miyagi / Eckleland made the bong physics, Dugger only created its basics" sort of arguments.
Restrict the list to designers who have received notable awards from the entertainment industry (change the title to "Award winning video game designers" as well). Much more restrictive, and would be harder to dig up from. There would be arguments award winning does not constitute notability, but that is why we would change the list title.

At the end of it, putting a "notable" list does seem to be more trouble than it's worth. Jappalang (talk) 22:14, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

So, that's four editors (me, Jappalang, Dancter and Kevin) who are in favor of removing it? Is that enough to remove them or do we need more? — Frecklefσσt | Talk 12:31, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

We need to address this soon as it's getting out of hand. I see Michel Ancel has been back and just re-added his name to the notable list. — Frecklefσσt | Talk 12:49, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I myself am not going to do anything at this point, but one of the best ways to test an apparent consensus for a change is to make it. There's really no magic number when it comes to this sort of thing. "BRD" is a good principle to apply, here. If there is still disagreement, you will likely see it through reverts or new talk page input. Dancter (talk) 17:00, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, well I tried that and my change was quickly reverted. I'd like some consensus before I attempt it again. Thanks for the input. I'll do it again soon if someone doesn't beat me to it. — Frecklefσσt | Talk 17:45, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I removed it again per apparent consensus. If someone has a problem with that, let's discuss it here. I don't want to get in an edit war. Thanks. — Frecklefσσt | Talk 13:11, 26 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Question

i really want to be a game designer i wana make a game like my friend did but i dont have the know how and the tech to do so. so can u help me out with some ideas —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.208.79.61 (talk) 20:22, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia generally doesn't give advice, but today's your lucky day. Go here. HTH — Frecklefσσt | Talk 18:44, 9 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Merge

There is nothing in the games inventor article that makes it notable enough to stand alone. In fact, it has so little content that it could be deleted outright without any tears from me. But discuss the merge on its talk page. — Frecklefσσt | Talk 18:44, 9 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Board games?

Below is content relating to non-video game information:

"The [game designer] applies to the designer of any game, whether a video game or tabletop game, such as board game or card game."

"It is not known when the earliest board game was made: Senet has been found in tombs from 3500 BC. The oldest playing cards were found in China and may date from the 9th century AD. Dice may have been invented in the third millennium BC in India."

"==See also== List of role-playing game designers"

Is this article really in the scope of anything but video games? I propose to just tag it with video game project, put a dablink notice and remove it from board game project scope. I'm not sure on RPG project policies, but this article seems very vaguely related.— H3llkn0wz ▎talk 02:48, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's just about video game designers. If someone comes up with a real article on other types of game designers, we can deal with it then. — Frεcklεfσσt | Talk 13:20, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In that case, I will just merge it → Game Design once I'm finished with ce of both since there is not much stand-alone content.— H3llkn0wz ▎talk 15:05, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Merge into Game design

All the video game only related information was moved into Game design. The several remainder paragraphs about game designer were then merged into game design as well. This is the pre-merge stub article about tabletop games. I, personally, do not expect it to be expanded any day soon, until which the article will redirect to "game design#game designer". See this disc and this old disc for reference.

For anyone's reference: I know these are two separate topics involving more than just video games, however this article was completely unsourced and filled with OR and essay material. There has not been initiative to expand or source it; therefore I merged and referenced it under game design instead. — H3llkn0wz ▎talk 21:33, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]