Talk:Atia (mother of Augustus)

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This page seems to credit Augustus with two mothers. 164.57.112.215 21:29, 26 January 2007 (UTC)Jim Hughes[reply]

Caesonia?

How did she come to be known as Atia Balba Caesonia? Sisyphus88 (talk) 11:37, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This name was inserted on 8 April 2005 by User:Binabik80, who claims to have explained on a talk page, but I can't find that talk page. It's hard to see how the name could be real. Andrew Dalby 14:56, 22 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am finding information that shows that Atia's family name was not known.[1]--Amadscientist (talk) 02:06, 18 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"Rome" TV series

Atia is described here as "exceptionally religious and moral", but in the TV series "Rome" as scheming and licentious. Regardless of her true disposition, Augustus would certainly have made every effort to clean up her reputation. Might there be any historical basis at all for her depiction in the TV series? Milkunderwood (talk) 13:06, 19 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Not really. It was just a plot device.--Amadscientist (talk) 02:05, 18 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Where is Caesonia from? Caesar?

Is it from the cognomen of her maternal uncle (and various generations of maternal relatives) Caesar? The word Caesar, in one certain theory, is derived from the word caeso ("cut"), and the word Caesonia contains caeso in it. Is there any source for this usage of her name? I also found that User:Binabik80 said in 15:15, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC) revision of this talk page that "Every reference I found to Octavian's mother called her Atia Balba Caesonis, and Roman naming convention wouldn't name the first two of three sisters as Major and Minor; it would name the three sisters, respectively, Prima, Secunda and Tertia." —10:01, 6 May 2015 (UTC) edited Thắng L.Đ.Q. (talk) 10:17, 6 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Tribe of Atia

This was added to the article by @BorgQueen and removed by @DeCausa, who made the valid points that the tribe was based at Corinth, not in Rome and that the particular source didn't support the point. However, there are discussions of the Corinthian tribes in A. B. West. 1931. Corinth VIII.2: Latin Inscriptions, 1896-1926, p. 14-15, 91; J. H. Kent. 1966. Corinth VIII.3: The Inscriptions 1926-1950, p. 23, 104, 106; Šašel-Kos 1978, “The Latin Inscriptions from Isthmia,” Arheološki Vestnik 29, p. 347. These make the link between the Atia tribe and Atia the mother of Augustus (unfortunately, I don't have these in front of me now so can't check whether all of them make the point or if it was specifically Kent). I disagree that the point is trivia, since Corinth was a major city, a foundation of Julius Caesar that was favoured by Augustus, and it is one of the few examples of contemporary commemoration of Atia. So, I think the point should be restored, in revised form. Furius (talk) 22:59, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No, it was added by @StarTrekker:. BorgQueen (talk) 23:16, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, but being the sole item under a heading "Legacy" seems excessive. It's hardly a "legacy" - certainly when compared to being one of the progenitors of the Julio-Claudians. If a source can be cited specifically linking the Corinthian tribe to this Atia (the cited source didn't) then I have no objection to some sort of reference to it. Perhaps, "trivia" was an overstatement - but it doesn't deserve its own section. DeCausa (talk) 23:22, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for the incorrect attribution. That's a fair point. Perhaps it could go after we state the circumstances of her death? Furius (talk) 01:11, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have a problem with that.★Trekker (talk) 08:39, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don't either. DeCausa (talk) 08:45, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]