Talk:The Forms

This is the talk page of a redirect that has been merged and now targets the page:
• Theory of forms
Because this page is not frequently watched, present and future discussions, edit requests and requested moves should take place at:
• Talk:Theory of forms
Merged page edit history is maintained in order to preserve attributions.

Philosophy: Metaphysics / Epistemology / Ancient

This redirect is within the scope of WikiProject Philosophy, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of content related to philosophy on Wikipedia. If you would like to support the project, please visit the project page, where you can get more details on how you can help, and where you can join the general discussion about philosophy content on Wikipedia.PhilosophyWikipedia:WikiProject PhilosophyTemplate:WikiProject PhilosophyPhilosophy articles

Associated task forces:
/
	Metaphysics
	Epistemology
	Ancient philosophy

Greece

This redirect is within the scope of WikiProject Greece, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Greece on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.GreeceWikipedia:WikiProject GreeceTemplate:WikiProject GreeceGreek articles

Merge information

This page should probably be merged with Platonic Realism (although the latter has an appalingly misleading name)--Pmineault 02:33, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I vote to crop and merge this into Theory of Forms, but not Platonic Realism. --Krovisser 22:45, 18 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Idea or Ideal?

The page mentions how "idea" is a poor translation of the Greek "eide." According to my Philosophy professor, a more correct term is "ideal." Any thoughts?

I will ask mine. --Krovisser 22:45, 18 October 2005 (UTC) Yes, "Ideal" captures the, idea of it, far better. --Krovisser 14:41, 11 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

(Hi, I'm new here, forgive me for any newbie faux pas I may make) -- Just for reference, "eidos" is the neuter singular perfect participle for the verb "oida," which approximately means "I know." The perfect aspect, and it's relation to the verb "eidon" (I see), suggests that oida is an enduring knowing as a result of having seen. It's also important to note that Plato does not use the infinitive of oida, which would "noun" the verb, but rather a substantiated participle (i.e. eidos is a thing to which oida is attributed). --becca 03:01, 26 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"Platonic Heaven"

Sounds too much like a prejorative designed by Aristotlean Pragmatic/Existentialists and Cynical Pessimistic Nihilists post-modernists (i.e. "Doggie heaven", a compound desiged to patronize). Can Pleroma be acceptable? (I know it is a term usually associated wiht Gnostics, but Gnosticism seems to have barrowed most of their ideology from Platonism anyway). IdeArchos 05:51, 7 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Forms of Dogs?

Are we so sure that Plato thinks there are Forms for absolutely everything? Surely everything partakes of some form or another, but is there necessarily a form associated with mundane objects? In the Parmenides Socrates seems not so sure about that. My knowledge of Plato is fairly limited, though, so I'm willing to believe he does. But as far as I know, this issue is more controversial than how it's presented in this article. --becca 03:07, 26 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]