Talk:Cosmo Kramer

Should Seinfeld characters, who have their own category, also be put in the broader category of fictional characters? Rlquall 00:18, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Nope - the Seinfeld category is a child of the fictional characters category. violet/riga (t) 15:19, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Aliases

I thought Art Vandelay was assigned to Jerry Seinfield himself? As in Vandelay industry. :\

I'm confused about the Art Vandelay thing as well, although not for the same reasons as above. I never recall Kramer calling himself Art Vandelay or having anyone refer to him as Art Vandelay. The only person I can recall being referred to as Art Vandelay was George. Does someone have a clarification on what episode Kramer was referred to as Art Vandelay? If not, I'm going to remove it from the infobox.Mck321 03:32, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Mad about you appearance

Kramer was also shown in one episode of mad about you could this be shown on his entry

Vandalism

The page has been vandalised. However, the page is also locked. Someone capable of editing a locked page should undo the vandalism.

Requested move

Let's move Cosmo Kramer to the title Kramer. --BrenDJ 22:49, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

This was listed on requested moves, but there is already an unrelated article at Kramer. What should be done with that article? Jonathunder 15:24, 2005 Apr 5 (UTC)

It should be made a disambauguation page with Kramer a German missle company and A character from the series Seinfeld.--BrenDJ 19:14, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Disagree. Given the size of this article, Kramer should automatically point to Cosmo Kramer with a note at the top indicating Kramer is a German missle company. If the other article becomes similar in size, we can use a disambig page. I would feel comfortable in saying 99% of all visitors associate "Kramer" with Cosmo Kramer, not the German Missle Company. Consider Gmail for comparison. --Will2k 20:24, Apr 5, 2005 (UTC)

Keep Cosmo Kramer, make disambiguation page at Kramer. It's a bit U.S.-centric to assume that everyone associations Kramer with the TV character. Plus, will this continue to hold true for years to come? --BaronLarf 22:13, Apr 5, 2005 (UTC)

I'm Canadian. I would argue more for moving the article with a small note due to the size and robustness of the article, less so due to Seinfeld's popularity.--Will2k 02:02, Apr 6, 2005 (UTC)

Oppose. Kramer should probably be a disambig - I don't think either usage is overwhelmingly common to deserve being at the main page. (It may surprise you that there are many people in the western world who haven't even heard of Seinfeld.) As for this page, if Cosmo Kramer isn't a well-known name, then Kramer (Seinfeld) would be better. sjorford →•← 08:51, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

• Oppose: an unrelated article already exists at Kramer. -Sean Curtin 00:06, Apr 7, 2005 (UTC)

• Oppose – Kramer should be a disambig. violet/riga (t) 11:55, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

• Oppose per violet/riga above. But another thing: According to the German Wikipedia (see Ruhrstahl X-4), the missiles were made by a Dr Max Kramer at a company called Ruhrstahl AG. Googling 'max kramer ruhrstahl' gives similar results, although I haven't looked at the hits in detail. Is the "company" Kramer perhaps just a result of a mixup? / up+land 21:30, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

• Support movement --BrenDJ 19:42, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

This was just moved to Kramer (Television character). I don't think this is the best name because:

1. Television is not a proper noun and should not be capitalised
2. The full name of the person should be used to disambig from anything else that may have the title

Having him there is just like saying Chandler Bing should be at Chandler (television character). violet/riga (t) 17:16, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Well, I don't think there would be anything wrong with Chandler (television character) as a page name. However, that's a different case, as the Friends characters do use their surnames frequently in the show. Kramer is only known as Cosmo on very rare occasions, and it was created more as a joke name than anything, so the full name isn't particularly useful. sjorford →•← 08:49, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Let's move the article back, as it was moved without consensus. BrenDJ also created a misspelled article Kramer (German missle company) through an unnecessary cut-and-paste-move without edit comment and despite my comment above questioning whether the "missle company" might just be a misunderstanding of the name of the constructor of the missiles. If that is the case, we should probably have an article on the company at Ruhrstahl AG, an article on the rocket scientist Max Kramer and a disambiguation page at Kramer. / up+land 09:35, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

• Oppose, sinks the current disambig. JuntungWu 15:10, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

• Oppose, Opposition to circumcison is not bizarre. It needs to be removed from that section.

It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it to be moved. violet/riga (t) 15:19, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

• Remove, Kramers reaction to Mary Hart's voice doesn't qualify as a bizarre belief. Im removing it.

Millennium party

Kramer's party was for December 31, 1999 (the intended date, though not the new millennium), and Newman's was set accidentally for December 31, 2000. This should be changed.

I agree. That's the way I remember it, too. I'll touch it up. --Amoore 16:34, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)

Classic Kramer Moments

The (poorly titled) "Classic Kramer Moments" section is getting a bit big, surely? It's around half of the article now. Should it be cut down to appear less "fancrufty"? violet/riga (t) 23:06, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Jerry Seinfeld link

Somethings ****ed up on the link in the article...I can't get rid of the "(character)". Revolver 09:09, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Parallelism

We should try to make the articles on Cosmo Kramer, George Costanza, and Elaine Benes parallel.

Kramer Quotes

I am removing the exclamation point in : "" as he explains to Jerry, "If you called them more often, I wouldn't have to!" "" If you have watched this episode then you would say that he does not say this in an exclamatory fashion but in a reproval tone, so no exclamation point. (Ironic it is though that I do this correction given the significance of exclamation points in the context of 2 or 3 Seinfeld episodes :D) --Mmgfish (talk) 01:27, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Fixed a couple of lines in Kramer's "Who wan't to have some fun?" quote from "The Marine Biologist". There had been some inaccuracies in the quotes. --The Matrix 10:39, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Failed GA

Lack of refrences mainly especially for a character article as this reads more of a fan-guide than a GA, and I also feel that the aricle needs to talk about the characters role in pop culture today. Thanks Jaranda ^{wat's sup} 03:51, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

1)how do you know he's polish? 2)that vide of the door slide is awesome

Kramer entrance animation

This is a horribly distracting animation, so I have removed it from the page. The fact that it rewinds (rather than cuts back) makes it worse, but even without that I don't think it is a good idea to include it. violet/riga (t) 12:30, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Really? I like that animation... --172.133.104.90 01:29, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Aww, can I find that animation somewhere else?

Who made you boss violetcrumble? Us worthless peasants miss it now.

yea if its not broke dont fix it.

Dil337: I agree. I came to this page solely for that reason. Anybody still have it so we can put it back? Violet, you dont make decisions for everybody.

Bring it back. -Betaeleven 14:25, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I believe this is what you're looking for. Ezhuks (talk) 00:44, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Kkkramer?

What is up with the Kkkramer thing? did I miss something or is this a poor attempt on a joke of the recent incident?

He was using racial slurs and verbally attacked an audience member during one of his standup comedy routines. 70.118.94.223 19:46, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

If you see vandalism, please feel free to remove it. See WP:VAND and Help:Reverting. Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 03:53, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

I know what happened. But I was asking if it was because of the incident. I think everyone knows what happened there...

"Note: The following page has been edited by some idiot who overeacted to Michael RIchards rant at a black heckler, where he only used to most obvious aspect of the hecklers to insult them with, and then later complained he was racist by calling him white boy and cracker-ass, which because they're black would not be wrong (Sarcasm by the way)"

What the hell? This is looking extremely unprofessional. Just protect the article and leave it alone, reasons and explanations belong (as far as I know) in the discussion page. --M

Under the Inventions, entrepreneurship, and lawsuits section someone has added: "It is also known that Kramer has racially slurred a negro man while doing a stand up comedy. As a result almost everyone left his show.(See link for a shocking video)." I'm pretty sure that that was Michael Richards the actor/comedian not Cosmo Kramer the character. And as the Michael Richards page already has an entire section devoted to the incident, I don't think it should be included here. When someone with edit rights can get around to it, this is another one that should be removed.Tovias 20:54, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

please somebody add yi interwiki

yi:קאסמא קרעמער

to yiddish wikipedia. thanks--71.247.90.72 19:52, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Done. —B33R ^{Talk • Contribs} 21:07, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Kosmo?

I was always under the impression his name was Kosmo Kramer so it would be two ks. Of ccourse, I don't know. -Barnes! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.92.24.47 (talk) 04:18, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Contradiction

The article clearly claims in the summary that the character is based on Kenny Kramer, a neighbor of Larry David, but then later says that this is untrue under "the real-life kramer" section. I don't know which is true, but this is clearly a contradiction. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.68.180.209 (talk) 06:35, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

The article originally stated (under "the real-life Kramer" section) that the character was based on Larry David's neighbor; these statements were simply negated by 64.233.195.81's 5:40, 18 December 2007 edit. I'm going to mark the section as contradictory, but I don't know which statement is correct, so hopefully someone else can correct it. Psychotic Spoon (talk) 23:21, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

There's a bunch of interviews on one of the DVD collections where they say that Kramer is, in fact, yes, based on the real Kramer. There's quite a bit of time spent on the issue. Sbwoodside (talk) 16:10, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes I saw the same interviews, I have updated the article. Mike R (talk) 20:44, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

The racial attack should end now!

That incident is about whatever the date is started and has nothing to do with Cosmo Kramer. Yet some editors cannot resist the urge to put something in this page and make a major mockery of it. It's near New Year's Day and those editors should really take a break. The professional editors who keeps an eye on this should really send a message to them for blurring between Michael Richards the actor and Cosmo Kramer the character. I know I can't stop them but I know that someone will and that someone would know what to do.

To sum it up, Michael Richards and Cosmo Kramer are very contridiction to each other. You want the real story, go to the Michael Richards webpage for that incident NOT Cosmo Kramer.

Thank you. Johnnyauau2000 (talk) 13:32, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Fruit

I'm surprised there is nothing about Kramer's passion for fruit. He always goes to Joe's for high quality fruit, and is even mentioned by Elaine when Kramer was at the Singles Auction. He's pretty enthusiastic about fruit, and it should be mentioned with some evidence. 68.110.238.190 (talk) 00:15, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Red Dot - low-alcohol tolerance claim; suspect

I don't think it can be claimed Kramer had an extremely low tolerance for alcohol based solely on the hennigan's incident, there were many other episodes where he prominently consumes alcoholic drinks, for instance in 'The Sniffing Accountant' and in another episode sake with Japanese businessmen. At any rate, even if there has been reference to evidence of a low alcohol-tolerance, it was certainly not prominent enough to merit inclusion in this article. Kramer's relationship with alcohol was never explored in the depths of say, Elaine's or Mrs. Ross'. Perhaps his gambling addiction would be a more telling detail? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.131.48.239 (talk) 05:35, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

I agree, I hadn't noticed that point before but I would be inclined to remove it. The article already suffers from an excess of detail, and that detail sounds like original research. There are other episodes which negate it. You can always be bold and remove / replace that part yourself, :-) Maedin\^talk 11:54, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Tony Award

Didn't he accidentally receive a Tony Award while filling in as a seat-filler? Rusted AutoParts (talk) 10:19 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Portrayal Changes

We first saw Kramer/Kessler portrayed as a low-energy, bathrobe-wearing layabout, which was quite different from the animated "hipster doofus" we came to know in subsequent episodes. Since George's evolution from a Woody Allen imitation was described in his page, Kramer deserves similar details in his Characteristics or Development sections. Theaternearyou (talk) 04:44, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Fusili Jerry in Kramer Wikipedia

No mention of it...

Strange. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Capburger (talk • contribs) 00:18, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Why is this article sooooooo long?

This (and all of these types of articles) really seem to fly in the face of what Wikipedia is and what has been long discussed and weeded out elsewhere on this site. 1) Excessively long, and virtually all original research. Pretty much nothing is cited anywhere. 2) It's largely trivia, obviously picked out by fans watching the show and turned into endless lists. Articles on the main characters in a famous TV show seem perfectly reasonable, but do they need to be anything more than a brief overview of the character and who portrayed them? Why the lists that go on and on and on and on about superficial details that are nothing more than fictitional plot points from various episodes? As has been noted ad naseum elsewhere, this isn't IMDB, this is an encyclopedia.70.91.35.27 (talk) 19:54, 3 August 2012 (UTC)Tim

Secular Jew?

Where is there any evidence of this? I can't seem to find any, yet it says so in the article? -5.66.246.20 (talk) 00:43, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

Requested move 13 September 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not Moved(non-admin closure) Megan☺️ ^{Talk to the monster} 13:15, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

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Cosmo Kramer → Kramer (Seinfeld) – Per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:LABELFICTION. U-Mos (talk) 05:00, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose per WP:NATDAB and WP:CONSISTENCY. I am not a massive fan of Seinfeld, but I'm aware his name is "Cosmo Kramer", and it gets 400,000 results on Google, so it is not obscure enough to require a parenthetical DAB in my view. As for consistency, I point to my RM at Philip J. Fry, which also mentions similar RMs for Apu Nahasapeemapetilon and Glenn Quagmire. Nohomersryan (talk) 16:18, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose - the full name is used often enough to provide WP:NATDAB. See example of Norm Peterson at WP:NCTVCHARACTER. -- Netoholic @ 17:06, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Last appearence in 2012…?

At Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee#Season_1_(2012), ep. 10 “It’s Bubbly time, Jerry!”: Can anyone confirm whether he appears there as Michael Richards or as Kramer, please? Newman and George did appear as such in another episode of CiCgC… Tuvalkin (talk) 00:18, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

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Kramer Article edits

I added a brand-new section called "Kramer's Notable Quotes". This provides some of his lines that standout in the show and describe what kind of person he can. Along with I added a few more physical moments in the "Physical Moments" section. The section was a little too small, so I think of few more moments describe more of one of Kramer's best aspects. The last thing was a few sentences to the "Personality" section. I believe all of these edits improved the article in big way because it only describes Kramer in more detail. 412DRS (talk) 17:15, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Sorry... no. The quote section is pure WP:FANCRUFT and doesn't belong in an encyclopedia. It's been removed. Jauerback^dude?/_dude. 18:44, 27 October 2022 (UTC)