Talk:Three Crowns

Intro

"Coat of Arms of the of Sweden" - should there be a "Kingdom" in there somewhere? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nasorenga (talk • contribs) 15:00, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

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But why are there three crowns and not one, two, or four? What do the three of them represent? --Matthew 14:19, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

What they represent is a bit disputed, as the usage may trace back to Germany. They are known to be used in Sweden by Albert of Sweden during the 14th century, and may represent the three holy kings. It's actually not knowledge commonly shared by regular swedes, but mostly just historians. I'll see if I can revise the article with some of this. Jugalator 21:03, May 25, 2005 (UTC)

That's great. Thanks for clearing that up for me! My girlfriend (a Swede herself) didn't have a clue. Matthew 12:04, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

-- anonymous mr T. Kindahl rursus.siderespector@lkpg.visit.se

The text says:

Swedes generally don't know any of these theories and what the symbol is believed to represent, and this is mostly a subject discussed among historians.

Not very true! Of course we know about these theories! However: if you wish to find any information about it in Swedish books, you will have a hard time, since the topic is not considered entirely "serious", or otherwise as "less important". In general any theory of any connection between Swedish regions, such as Svealand, Götaland and Finland (or Norrland), are considered rubbish, nonsense and bubkes(!) (i.e. goat beans), since the three crowns symbol doesn't seem to attested before king Albert of Sweden, and we even don't know about any viking time kingdom in neither Finland nor Norrland. The king Albert theory is considered seriously whenever the three crowns are discussed, and the Kalmar Union three crown theory also seems to be pretty plausible, although exactly me haven't exactly heard of it, exactly before I read it from exactly the refering en.wikipedia exact (?) page.

(Besides, "accusing" the generally peaceful and self-ironical people of the swedes of incompetence, is a most dare-devilly bold act :^))

This doesn't make any sense to me. If they were brought by Albert of Sweden, how come Magnus I of Sweden had them on his coat of arms?

Also the suggestion that most swedes think the three crowns represent the three biggest cities is just ridiculous. Sweden has never been an urban country and those three cities that are the largest now were not at all the largest in medieval times (and Malmö was Danish!) I'm taking away that paragraph. As far as I know most swedes think the three crowns represent Norrland Svealand and Götaland, as false as that may be. BrorMartin 16:10, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

New version March 2007

I just rewrote much of the article. Adding sources to the article will hopefully make it more useful. There is now a section in the article which probably could easily be scrapped entirely if provided with some additional sources for the various pieces of information in it.
/ Mats Halldin (talk) 15:23, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

St Edmund's Crown

According to this site regarding heraldic charges (http://heralds.westkingdom.org/Templates/OtherCharges/index2.htm)

A crown is a circlet of metal, often jewelled, worn on the head of a monarch as an emblem of sovereignty. As an heraldic charge, it was first seen in the attributed arms of St. Edmund the Martyr, c. 1282.

Anyone know more? TheSmokinGun 07:08, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Unsourced hypotheses and various usages

• A representation of the three wise men, also known as the three kings, that came to visit Jesus at the epiphany.
• The three old kingdoms that joined to later form Sweden — "Three crowns one kingdom". However, that theory is less widely accepted.
• Leftovers after yet another failed attempt at creating a Scandinavian union and that the crowns represent the royal families of Sweden, Denmark and Norway.
• The three crowns are on the 1397 seal of Margrete I, who united Denmark, Sweden and Norway into the Kalmar Union to defend baltic sea trade routes against the threat of the German Holy Roman Empire.
• The symbol is also featured on the University of Oxford seal originating from the same period.
• It also appears on the first masonic seal of York. The founding values of these three organisations all using an example of the three separated crowns may also symbolise a Protestant opposition to the coronation of the Pope as, among other titles the ruler of the world. The Pope's Triregnum featuring three crowns, although not separated.
• A later usage of the three crowns refers to the Union of the Crowns, the accession to the thrones of England and Ireland of King James VI of Scotland in March 1603.

Magnus Ladulås

Another unsourced hypothesis; Magnus Ladulås used three crowns on his seal. --Tokle (talk) 13:57, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Comment

"This paragraph actually explains nothing. The meaning of the three crowns remains a mystery here."

I moved this comment here from the "The three crowns" section of the content page as it seems to be more of a discussion comment. I agree that the paragraph does not say why Magnus Eriksson used the three crowns.

But this explanation follows in the following paragraph. Is this unclear? Should the article be edited to make it easier to understand? --Thathánka Íyotake (talk) 01:43, 6 June 2011 (UTC)