Talk:Ko Samui

small suggestions

Some small suggestions for improvements:

• A map of the region would really help (showing the island wrt either the province or the country). The easiest way to do this is to find whoever drew the country map (User:Ahoerstemeier in this case) and ask them for a blank one (one without all the highlighted sections). Then you can put a dot or whatever on the region of interest.
  • Good idea, I've just stuck a note on his page. :)
• Equally the lat/long can be very useful
  • Done.
• It's often worth searching NASA's earth-observation photo websites (for shuttle and satellite images) - these are usually (it depends...) uncopyrighted, and a nice orbital shot can make a world of difference (cf Kansai International Airport). ESA have some nice stuff too, but theirs is copyright (grrr).
  • I can't seem to find anything, but maybe I'm not looking in the right places.
• you should probably mention that it's in Surat Thani province, and that it's an administrative subdivision (Amphoe Ko Samui) in its own right
• as Surat Thani seems to be both a city and a province, when you mention the city it's probably a good idea to say "the city of Surat Thani" to make it clear which you're talking about.
  • Done and done.
• "the southern peninsula" - I'm assuming you don't mean the Malay Peninsula, but rather that little bump NE of the city of Surat Thani. Doesn't it have a proper name?
  • Actually I think I just made a mistake. Thailand does have a southern peninsula, but it's not there! It's off the east coast of the Kra Isthmus. Updated accordingly.

But all in all it's a vast improvement over what was there before. Well done. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 00:56, 1 Jun 2004 (UTC)

accuracy

The island can't have appeared on Ming Dynasty maps as far back as 1687 because the Ming Dynasty was replaced by the Qing Dynasty in 1644. Either the maps mentioned are earlier, or they are Qing Dynasty maps. Sorry if this sounds pedantic, but could the point be clarified by somebody in the know? (I'm user WJL but I've forgotten my password so this is going to be an "anonymous" comment).

redirect

I think there should probably be a redirect from Goh Samui. I'd never heard of this island until I just read about it under Goh Samui in Icon Intro (aan EFL book), where it is written Goh Samui. Kdammers (talk) 09:04, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Thetsaban Status

This page declairs that Thetsaban Tambon Ko Samui is now planed to be upgraded to Thetsaban Nakhon. However their official site partly states that it is already Thetsabam Mueang. Does Anyone know about detail of this matter? --Anan 14:20, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

It was upgraded to Thesaban Mueang, even though the board responsible for the municipal upgrades did decide on an upgrade to Thesaban Nakhon. I haven't been able to find any reason why this was changed after it was decided already, especially apparently without any discussion in the board (the transcripts of that board [1] are about the only in-time source on the municipal changes I know about). You can find several posts on this topic in my blog, those on Samui are at the "Surat Thani" tag. andy (talk) 16:40, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for the information. I will upgrade this in Jawiki. --Anan (talk) 14:06, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Ko Samui larger than Ko Chang

That's true according to the data at the relevant Wikipedia articles at least. So for consistency that should also be reflected in the intro of "Ko Samui" (Ko Samui = 2nd largest island). --AlexKeilo (talk) 12:41, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

neutral viewpoint

While much useful content has been added recently, Ko Samui sometimes reads more like a travel article than a reference article. Maintaining a neutral viewpoint is important in Wikipedia. Some current Ko Samui content might be more appropriately located in Wikitravel. And the bots are flagging that more citations are needed.

(Non)Neutrality examples:

• 3rd paragraph in Geography section: "it is almost small enough..."
• 4th paragraph in Lifestyle subsection: "...religious tensions..."
• Events and festivals subsection: should list events in a more neutral fashion and less like a recommendation.

One example of what to aim for: Mackinac Island is a Wikipedia Featured Article.

But all in all, some fine work has been done on this article. Even in just the past week.

Declangi (talk) 05:47, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

agreed, good pick up. LibStar (talk) 05:51, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Change of municipal status?

An IP editor added this then took it out I guess because it went in the wrong place; I'm not sure of "city-municipality" in Thai - Amphoe? - but it needs to go back in; someone more familiar with Thai municipalities and this particular matter please do the honours.Skookum1 (talk) 08:45, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

It's already mentioned in the Administration section: "The complete island is one city municipality (thesaban nakhon)." --Paul_012 (talk) 12:47, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

K, I'd just noticed that reverted edit and wondered what was up....it was from the same IP, i.e. the insertion and the removal, figured it was something someone meant to put in, saw the format damage, and reverted. Thanks for the clarification.Skookum1 (talk) 16:09, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

"abundant natural resources" ??

Curious as to what those are....fresh water maybe? Maybe it's because I'm Canadian and associate that phrase with mines and logging and hydro dams.....there's no mines on Samui? Teak harvesting? So far as I know the place ran on coconut and coconut oil before tourism came along....Skookum1 (talk) 11:23, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

When I visited I was told by local guides that Ko Samui is one of the largest coconut producing locations in Thailand. This article claims:

"'Samui' means coconut, and the crop is the island's main cash crop", however that translation appears to be incorrect according to Google Translate. Phersh (talk) 01:14, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

temples and religious sites - and education

I note that there are no temples mentioned, I just created a few articles for them (see List of Buddhist temples in Thailand and know that there's the mosque in Hua Thanon and a few Christian churches as well. I can't find enough on them to make articles, though it strikes me as the mosque is notable simply for being the only one (Masjid Nurulihsan). Also I note on many town/location articles there are listings of educational institutions; one site I saw said Rajabhat University had a campus here but from that article I see only one in Surat Thani. Most guides and other websites for Ko Samui seem to be travel/booking sites and blogs, which mostly can't be used for references, if I'm understanding things right. So how to cite such places? Does not having web coverage mean somewhere is not notable?AlfredShonfeld (talk) 07:55, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

surat thani airport item

Re this, Nok Air also flies there doesn't it? From Suvanhabumi or Don Mueang or both? And I'm pretty sure it's not the only one.....I don't have the schedules handy but seems to me this comes off like a plug for Air Asia if the competition isn't named. That Surat Thani Airport is used for Ko Samui as an alternative to Bangkok Airways' private airport and higher prices should be mentioned more specifically.Skookum1 (talk) 05:00, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

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Events and festivals

I think the entire events and festivals section should be moved to Wikivoyage. Not encyclopedia material. Seligne (talk) 17:20, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

Climate

Stop changing the climate classification of Koh Samui. According to the noted sources, Koh Samui is a tropical savanna climate. It is located on the South Bay of Thailand which is a completely different weather model than Phuket and other west facing parts of Thailand on the end of in Sea which do get monsoons and are subject to tsunamis. Koh Samui doesn't get any of this kind of weather. It falls under the specific guidelines of a tropical savanna climate. Please review the technical specifications of the koppen climate category system and stop trying to change it to a monsoon climate which it is not by any stretch of the imagination. Koh Samui gets only a six to eight week wet season. And even then it's relatively light with no monsoons and no typhoons at all ever recorded in all of history. At worst it gets some tropical storms. But this is normal over a six to eight week period. And with the dry month of February and other conditions of a tropical savanna climate as defined by the koppen system, it is indeed a tropical savanna climate — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2403:6200:8870:CEEE:9DE2:D590:3FBA:C004 (talk) 02:12, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Could you clarify what noted sources you're referring to? --Paul_012 (talk) 11:03, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Koh Samui gets only a six to eight week wet season. And even then it's relatively light with no monsoons and no typhoons at all ever recorded in all of history. At worst it gets some tropical storms. But this is normal over a six to eight week period. And with the dry month of February and other conditions of a tropical savanna climate as defined by the Köppen climate classification 2403:6200:8870:74AB:753A:94BE:FF6A:ECBA (talk) 06:13, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

Köppen climate classification 2403:6200:8870:74AB:753A:94BE:FF6A:ECBA (talk) 06:15, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

The sources are noted at the end of the comment above

Wikipedia is not a reliable source, and cannot be cited for such claims. And that article actually says Ko Samui is an "Am bordering on Af" climate, not Aw. You'd need a WP:reliable source that actually discusses the climate of Ko Samui and says it's a savannah climate to support including that statement in this article. The vast majority of sources I see about Thailand's climate only describe all of Southern Thailand as Aw without singling out Ko Samui, and the only one that does separate the Andaman and the gulf coast actually says that the gulf coast from Chumphon to Narathiwat is an Af climate.[2]

You can't take the Köppen definition and apply it to the weather with your own conclusions, as that would constitute WP:original research. And even if you did so, the definition for Aw climate is that the driest month has less than 100-(total annual precipitation in mm/25) annual precipitation, which is clearly not the case for Ko Samui, as the average rainfall for February, the driest month, is 54.4 mm, which is much higher than 100-(1960/25)=21.6. --Paul_012 (talk) 21:31, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

Your reply fails to cite anything else outside of Wikipedia as well. Please provide your own objective sources for your personal opinion that Wikipedia is not a useful source of climate references includes external climate references in the various articles which are cited 223.205.213.103 (talk) 19:28, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Now you're talking nonsense. I didn't give any opinion, that's Wikipedia policy. If there are sources, cite them directly. You still haven't provided anything to back your Aw claim. --Paul_012 (talk) 09:02, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Anyway, this source from Prince of Songkla University[3] clearly states that Ko Samui has an Am climate (while mainland Surat Thani has Aw, an exception to the rest of the South). --Paul_012 (talk) 09:20, 31 March 2024 (UTC)