Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Category:Kings of Persia
The following discussion comes from Wikipedia:Categories for deletion. This is an archive of the discussion only; please do not edit this page. -Kbdank71 21:21, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- Consensus was to rename to Category:Monarchs of Persia. RedWolf 01:09, Jan 17, 2005 (UTC)
This does not require a deletion. However, a demand has been raised for moving - a bot will be useful, as quite a lot of articles are concerned - this to a theoretical Category:Shahs of Persia. There is no objection on my part (me being the creator of this category). -- Itai 22:40, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Keep, a Shah is a King. IZAK 18:56, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- I think the trend has been to create a general "monarchs" category, but if all such monarchs went by a particular designation, I don't see the point in doing that here. Were all monarchs of Persia called Shahs? Postdlf 00:09, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Shah is a corruption of caesar, the term for a Roman Emperor, so no, not all Persian monarchs were called Shah, AFAIK, since the Persian Empire existed at various points in history, before the Roman Empire. 132.205.15.43 04:26, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- No, "Shah" is not a corruption of caesar [1]. It's from the Old Persian word shaa, meaning King/Emperor. Darius I of Persia and Xerxes I of Persia were clearly called shaas. roozbeh 17:20, Dec 26, 2004 (UTC)
- Well, I only know one certain monarch who didn't use the term "Shah" to refer to himself, Karim Khan. roozbeh 17:20, Dec 26, 2004 (UTC)
- Shah is a corruption of caesar, the term for a Roman Emperor, so no, not all Persian monarchs were called Shah, AFAIK, since the Persian Empire existed at various points in history, before the Roman Empire. 132.205.15.43 04:26, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Move to Category:Monarchs of Persia. Shah != king, but equivalent to German Kaiser or Russian tsar, both of which are normally translated emperor. Most of the monarchs in the category, however, were neither kings nor shahs. (That category is a big mess, BTW... At least three different spellings of "Muhammad", titles like Abbas I of Safavid ["of Safavid"?], etc... Massive cleanup is needed.) —Tkinias 23:05, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- In Persian, King is translated shāh or sometimes pādeshāh. Emperor is either shāhanshāh or emperātūr. So while these guys were more like emperors than kings, they rarely used a title of Emperor recently. Only Mohammad Reza Pahlavi called himself a shāhanshāh after the Arab invasion, as far as I know. roozbeh 17:20, Dec 26, 2004 (UTC)
- Move. You can't go wrong with Monarchs of Persia. -Willmcw 11:19, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Move to Category:Monarchs of Persia as easiest/less likely to be wrong. Pedant 23:40, 2005 Jan 10 (UTC)
- I was going to agree with Move to Category:Monarchs of Persia, however if one looks at the Category:Monarchs, the vast majority use the convention XXXX monarchs with only a few using Monarchs of XXXX. RedWolf 19:31, Jan 14, 2005 (UTC)