Talk:Grammelot

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Origins

I have a suspicion that the actual term "Grammelot" may not be of great antiquity, and may even have been coined by Dario Fo. Dario Fo's book "Tricks of the Trade" and the article "Unmasking the holy jester Dario Fo" (Antonio Scuderi, Theatre Journal - Volume 55, Number 2, May 2003, pp. 275-290) apparently have details on the history of Grammelot. I don't have access, but if anyone does, these should fill in details. (Ray Girvan, March 14 2005).

Update: linguistics professor Mark Liberman at Language Log has concluded that the term "Grammelot" is a modern invention. The alternative is the highly unlikely possibility that this word has been going around as a pan-European theatrical term for 500 years, yet never been documented in major English, French and Italian lexicographical and theatrical sources. http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/001990.html (Ray Girvan, March 21 2005).

In an essay entitled "L'art du grommelot" (Le Figaro, April 20, 2006), French scholar Claude Duneton suggests the word (not the technique) - in its French form, grommelot - has its origins in the commedia dell'arte-derived French theatre of the early part of the twentieth century. Duneton studied briefly with Leon Chancerel (1886-1965), who was a major figure in this branch of theatre. Chancerel in fact uses the word in his book, Le theatre et la jeunesse (Paris: Bourrellier 1946:47). Others, such as theatre scholar John Rudlin in Commedia dell'Arte: An Actor's Handbook(London: Routeledge 1994:60) suggests this origin as well. (Antonio Scuderi, February 18, 2009) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.243.12.49 (talk) 19:41, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Franco Rame

Mistake here:

Franco Rame is also said to have used the term Grammelot in describing his literary inventions.

Franca Rame is Fo's wife, so I guess this is talking about Fo, not about another author who uses Grammelot. 86.141.82.100 03:22, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Anyone aware of the possible reasons for such a language? I've read that traveling performers risked their necks and their liberty if they used the wrong word in front of the wrong king, duke, prince or other despot; therefore a meaningless and innocuous dialect of gibberish would keep them out of the dungeons.166.165.177.246 (talk) 09:54, 14 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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