Talk:Vulcan (Star Trek)

Format

Much of the article seems to imply that Vulcans are real and that Planet Vulcan really exist. Despite the die hard fans out there who may believe this, it takes away from the informative nature of the page because it is based on a false assumption. Such a format is quite appropriate on Memory Alpha because the entire premise is that it is the archive of the Federation on the planet Memory Alpha. But to suggest that a Wikipedia page follow the same format is ridiculous. This should be edited. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.167.181.252 (talk) 22:04, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Agree. The article should open with the development of Vulcans as fictional beings and trace the evolution through the production of Star Trek, beginning with Spock's first appearance in "The Cage", followed by the original series, and then subsequent motion pictures and other series. Word can be changed to delineate the real from the fictional. Morganfitzp (talk) 05:31, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

- Anyone who doesn't understand that the Vulcans and their planet are not real deserves any ridicule he attracts for it. The real problem with this page is the complete lack of any pictures actually from Star Trek. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.4.200.52 (talk) 04:47, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Merge from T'plana-hath

Two years ago this article survived AfD, but mostly on the recommendation that it be expanded. It hasn't been, because there's nothing else to say on the subject.

Article content relates purely to Trek, and is only linked from two real pages (this one and Vulcan starships). It's a simple split. Chris Cunningham 11:12, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

• Agree with merge. This should have its own article at Memory Alpha but here it's just too specialized. I've won Trek trivia contests but with a question on this I'd lose. ShutterBugTrekker 22:28, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Done --ShakataGaNai 21:46, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Technology level

There should be some section that emphasizes the technological level of the Vulcans at near the beginning of the Federation. Even one-hundred years after first contact, the Vulcans still seemed to be vastly superior to humans. Is/was there any source that indicated maybe when the Vulcans started sharing technology with humans? Or maybe when Humans and Vulcans became equals technologically? Obviously, by the time of the original Star Trek series, the Federation was still relatively young, but all of it founding members were equals technologically. I think some elaboration on these points would add significantly to the article, but I lack any of the required knowledge to create a proper section. Rajrajmarley 21:16, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Vulcans (Star Trek)

I've been an avid Star Trek fan for going on six years now and this is the first time I've heard it mentioned that Spock's Favorite drink was carrot juice.

I would be willing to accept this as canon as I've yet to see 'every' TOS episode.(That really stinks by the way) But the sentence that immediately follows it is this:

"Leading scientists say that there is a 18% chance that Spock was gay."

Though I personally would love for this to be true, I don't think it is... Can anyone give cite/credit to this statement, or offer proof that this is true?

If you can I will be eternally grateful, and so will the thousands of slash fans. And If not could you please fix it or I'll fix it if it's not true because I nearly had an aneurism of happiness for the 2.3 seconds I thought it was true.

Thank you. --Herbsandlemons 12:55, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

It's obviously vandalism. Chris Cunningham 14:20, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

What do you mean vandalism? Like someone edited the page just to be mean and/or mess with the fans?--Herbsandlemons 14:58, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes. Sadly all-too-common on Wikipedia. Chris Cunningham 15:13, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Vulcan family names: I have noticed that in the Star Trek universe, Vulcan names are arranged a certain way; such as males Spock or Surrak with no surnames, females T'Pau, T'Pring, T'pol or her mother T'Les all use a T in the begining of their names. I propose a standard for this system; the males in Vulcan society use the given birth name as a standard however, Spock and Surrak could have surnames and use son of as to follow Spock'Sorchekitet son of Surrak'Sorchekitet (as an example)difficult to pronounce by humans. Of the females the surname as a sign of who they belong to. The T in T'Pau could represent the given birth name Toosat'Pau (Just an example)or Tuma'Pol, just as we use A. Margaret, meaning Anne Margaret. T'Les could be Tosha'Les,using her maiden name again and was previously Tosha'Pol while her husband was alive. Originally in Star Fleet Vulcan famales were allowed to use such names as T'Pol but as the Federation grown and regulation changes were made, only the surname would be used for all personnel as in commander Pol or Lt. Savvek. To avoid confusion, birth names starting with a ceratain letter are restricted to the provinces or land on Vulcan one was born in.Stargazer2oo (talk) 18:36, 23 April 2011 (UTC)J.Rodriguez

I'm not quite sure what you mean by "I propose a standard for this system". If you mean a standard for the Star Trek universe, that's determined by the writers and owners of the Star Trek franchise. If you mean a standard for Wikipedia, we don't create standards for character names; we use character names in the work itself (i.e., Star Trek) or any reliably sourced interpretation of character names based on the creators of Star Trek. We can't simply impose our own interpretation on to others' creative works. If you meant your comments just as a discussion of your ideas about Star Trek names, such forum or blog-like comments are not appropriate for an article talk page. You might wish to express your ideas at the reference desk. Cresix (talk) 18:45, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Spock

I do not mean to mock Spock, but I think we should replace the image with a pure Vulcan. I know that his characteristics are representitive of the vulcan race, but he's half human. Maybe Tuvok would be better. Supernerd 10 12:25, 15 March 2007 (UTC) Never mind I've replaced it with T'pol.

I don't think that is right. He is the most famous vulcan of any sort- anyone could recognize him. It is really racial discrimination to say that he is not vulcan enough just because he is only half vulcan. I have replaced the image and caption with Spock. --K1000 01:17, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps it's still worth a quick mention. The caption could state just that. Something like "Although technically half-vulcan and half-human, Spock (shown here demonstrating the Vulcan salute) was the first introduction to the Vulcan species in the Star Trek series." Also (possibly as a compromise of sorts) some of the other sections, maybe under Culture, should include images of other Vulcan characters, if even just to show that they appear to be from multiple ethnicities, or to show the variety of clothing they have worn. Ninjasaves (talk) 04:05, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

69.162.202.188 (talk) 21:35, 24 December 2009 (UTC)Spock is not gay. That would be illogical

Rhinoceros

"Star Trek creator Gene Roddenberry said in a 1968 interview that the idea behind pon farr was inspired by African rhinoceros' alleged mating practices, wherein a female of the species dies once every five years after mating with the entire male herd population."

What? They die every five years? Someone please confirm or delete this! Cratylus3 03:10, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Still there, still baffling readers. (I'd change it myself, but I have no idea what the intended meaning of the sentence is either.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.229.121.229 (talk) 03:28, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

I think the intended meaning is that a female rhino will, once every 5 years, mate with every male in the herd, then die from the strain. Try as I might, I can't find a word on the fact or fiction of this in the wild or of the story about Roddenberry. True or not, however, it should be cited, even if it (the actual biology or the story about Roddenberry) is a rumor. Otherwise, it needs to be cleaned up. Ninjasaves (talk) 04:15, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Roddenberry explained this at one of the August Parties as his having pulled a gag on the interviewer. Since he *said* it, leave it in, but add notation of the gag status. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.90.148.162 (talk) 00:10, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Dissolution of the High Command ?

The article claims that the Vulcan High Command was dissolved following the discovery of the Kir'Shara by Jonathan Archer. However, I don't think the High Command as an institution ceased to exist as there are canonical references thereto in other Trek series that take place in the future (23rd century). Maybe, it was just V'Las' High Command that was disbanded, not the High Command per se. 161.24.19.82 11:47, 14 June 2007 (UTC) 69.162.202.188 (talk) 21:38, 24 December 2009 (UTC)I seem to remember an episode where Vulcans go into a mating frenzy every 7.5 years. If they do not mate, they get very grumpy. If I remember correcectly, an alien species used this in order to get Kirk and Spock to fight to the death. Although I could be confusing two episodes.

Origins

We must remove all Return to Tomorrow references placing Sargon’s people as settlers of Vulcan. The Chase reveals this planet’s true biological origins. (154.5.194.215 01:43, 16 June 2007 (UTC))

Why couldn't Sargon's people have settled Vulcan? The seeding by the humanoids took place billions of years before Sargon's people were traveling space. They could have been resulted from the seeding, and Vulcan was uninhabited until it was colonized by Sargon's people. 153.2.246.30 (talk) 23:29, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Vulcan First Contact?

The following line from the article confuses me.

In 1930, Spock of Vulcan was one of three Starfleet officers from the 23rd century who travelled back in time to New York City, in the original series episode "The City on the Edge of Forever". To date, this is the earliest confirmed contact between humans and Vulcans, although in the Vulcan timeline it occurred long after First Contact.

If it refers to Vulcan first contact with humans, what does it mean that "City of the Edge of Forever" occurs long after?

If it refers to Vulcan first contact with some other race, what is that? Tpellman 14:25, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

It's a blob of OR; I'll delete it. --EEMeltonIV 14:41, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

The Borg, Worf (a Klingon) and Deanna Troi (half human half Betazoid) all encountered humans before the Vulcans, in Star Trek: First Contact. The Vulcans did not make an appearance until the end of the film by which time several human characters including Zefram Cochrane and Lily Sloane had interactions with Worf, the Borg and Deanna Troi. It is slightly ironic that the film was called first contact, when in reality according to the above comments it was probably about the 3rd or 4th. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.124.16.28 (talk) 17:37, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

In the Star Trek universe, 'First Contact' is a diplomatic protocol whereby members of a species capable of star travel (faster than light speed) appear and formally announce their existence to an emerging species that presumably has no awareness of extra-planetary life but is on the verge of developing faster-than-light technology. Of course, there's no way anyone would know that if they hadn't seen "First Contact" (Star Trek: The Next Generation). I'm not sure even the movie Star Trek: First Contact makes that clear. So naturally enough there can be confusion between generic First contact (science fiction) in sci-fi, layman's understanding of 'contact' (alien encounter), and the diplomatic mission in Star Trek. So yes, we could be more careful using terms like 'first contact.'Ten-K (talk) 06:49, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

That's a worthy clarification, and I concur. That having been said, there are still problems in the article, e.g., this sentence:

"They were the first extraterrestrial species in the Star Trek universe to make first contact with Humans..."

Maybe we speak of the First Contact protocol in capitals...? Or maybe it could be worded: "They were the first extraterrestrial species in the Star Trek universe to observe First Contact protocol with Humans...".rowley (talk) 21:39, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Surak as Founder?

Surak was the founder of the modern philosphy but not the world, so why is he listed as their founder? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.66.212.175 (talk) 02:54, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Indeed. It makes no sense. There were, of course, Vulcans before Surak; he merely founded the philosophy which was later embraced by almost all Vulcans. I'm removing it from the article. Aridd (talk) 11:50, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Vulcan Salute

I have noticed that it does not show the actual Vulcan salute, it shows the inspiration for it but does not show the salute. Here is a good picture to look at for an idea of how the Vulcan salute should look:

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1328/556301623_0ff0c25c4f_m.jpg —Preceding unsigned comment added by RBugz (talk • contribs) 00:05, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, even the image used in this article that is purported to be the "inspiration" is also not correct. The blessing gesture used in Judaism looks exactly as Spock uses it in Star Trek, except with two hands when blessing a crowd. Not sure why that image has survived in this article for so long considering how incorrect it is (except maybe due to Nerdfighter fanboys who seem to be confused about the Vulcan salute and their 'hand/gang sign'). — al-Shimoni (talk) 01:59, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Vulcan Diet

There is currently a line that reads "Vulcans are vegetarians, though they are known to consume seafood and were omnivores in ages past." I know about the previous omnivorous diet, but where in any canon does a vulcan eat fish? By definition (look at the appropriate wikipedia page for example), vegetarians do not eat fish (the "pesca-vegetarian" is not a form of vegetarian, it translates to "I would be a vegetarian, except I'm not because I eat fish"). So: do vulcans eat fish? I'm guessing the answer is "no" (at least for most ENT and onward vulcans), but if the answer is "yes," how do we best deal with the inaccurate use of the word "vegetarian" in cannon? Msheskin (talk) 08:55, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Jumbo Vulcan mollusks, best served when sauteed in "Rhombolian butter," are mentioned in DS9 "Melora." In addition, DS9 "The Maquis: Part 1" depicts Quark wooing a prospective Vulcan business associate with an elaborate spread that features "jumbo Romulan mollusks," no longer obtainable on Vulcan. The Last Unicorn RPG supplement on Vulcans explains this discrepancy by stating that not all Vulcans are vegetarian, but most make that culinary decision, and almost none eat red meat. For a real-world parallel, I have read in the Brittanica that there are many Hindus who eat meat, as well.153.2.246.30 (talk) 23:35, 31 December 2007 (UTC) 107.207.93.81 (talk) 20:16, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

As far as I recall, we're never shown Vulcans eating seafood. Contrariwise, it is repeatedly stated that Vulcans are vegetarians. The fact that animals from the planet Vulcan may be eaten by other species does not make Vulcans non-vegetarian. Aridd (talk) 11:50, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Surak and the Romulans

According to Enterprise episodes "The Forge" and "Awakening", the group who called themselves "those who march under the Raptors Wing" rejected Surak ideals and launched a nuclear war of which Surak himself became a victim. It dose not take too much imagination to figure out "those who march under the Raptors Wing" went on to become the Romulans so I have slightly rewritten the history section that deals with Surak and the Romaulans, before it said that the Romulans never rejected logic and may have had Suraks blessing, which was not the case. Starzaz (talk) 02:58, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Merge in Vulcan customs articles

Resolved

Both of these articles appear to have very limited notabilty, and would be safer here, and also would strengthen this article in a summarize form. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 23:04, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

I just discovered the Vulcan IDIC article, and I strongly agree that it should be merged into this one. It seems to me to have little notability even within Star Trek itself, let alone in the real world - and as such, if left unmerged, risks deletion under the fiction guidelines sooner or later. Merging into this article would be the better solution. Terraxos (talk) 00:51, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

mind meld

Resolved

What does "meld" mean? Might it actually be "melt"? After all, it is some kind of fusion when going together with someone else's thoughts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.141.200.110 (talk) 23:34, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

To meld is to merge, blend. It is the word used in Star Trek and it is correct.KenCribbs (talk) 17:05, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

I second the correctness of 'meld'.Eleven even (talk) 17:03, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

I third the correctness of 'meld'. Xyzzy529 (talk) 20:35, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Now I come fourth on that. Ha! There is in fact a whole documentary titled Mind Meld on Star Trek by Peter Jaysen. Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 14:29, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Merge in Vulcan High command

It is very short, and would make this article more comprehensive and eliminate a stubby article that will probably stay that way. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 22:13, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Yep, merge it in. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^(talk) 03:24, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

• Support Merge - While the Vulcan page is getting to be an informative page with a fair amount of information, the Vulcan high command page is very short. I suspect that we will get a fair amount of new information when the new movie comes out next May. At that time perhaps it will be worth splitting off some sections into their own pages. Ched Davis (talk) 01:06, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
• Support Merge - and while we are at it, maybe add a few hundred or so citations to the resulting melange. Seriously, the article needs citations. No, really - I am not kidding. :) - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 02:01, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
• 'Support Merge' - it can always be spun-out later if it would grow to any measurable length. — Ched (talk) 23:30, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

hmmm ... seems I commented 2 months ago ... sorry, forgot my memory pills this morning. ;) — Ched (talk) 23:33, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Merger proposal

I propose merging in the planet Vulcan article, as per other Star Trek articles. It doesn't really say much of note, here it can be guaranteed to be safe from deletion and add to the main article on Vulcans. Alastairward (talk) 15:42, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

• suppoert on condition it is put in a good place.  rdunnPLIB  10:34, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

As long as a search of "Vulcan (planet)" redirects directly to the section in this article, (and with no large changes of the original article itself) i'm fine with it. SincerelySubzerosmokerain (talk) 03:04, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Citation for use

• John Walsh (2009-04-23). "The Vulcan way: How to live long and prosper". The Independent.

Absolutely fantastic and in-depth beginners' guide on Vulcans: one could rewrite, trim and source the whole article just based on this! Alientraveller (talk) 18:36, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

I totally agree! - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 20:13, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

copper-based blood

Someone has marked "due to Vulcans' copper-based blood." as [citation needed] Is this really relevant to a fictional race? Unless someone objects I will remove the tag Mtpaley (talk) 22:55, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Pretty odd. I think it was actually mentioned in at least one ep of TOS. - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 03:22, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

I do think either a citation or a clarification is needed for this statement: "also referred to as being as cold as ice water." The only reference I know of is Spock referred to as 'cold-blooded', which is only a metaphor and not a physiological trait. It's not at all clear whether this statement refers to emotional suppression or actual blood temperature. If temperature, then it needs an episode citation; I don't think 'cold blood' is as common knowledge as 'green blood.' If emotion metaphor, it doesn't belong in the section on Vulcan physiology. I'll remove it if no one gives a citation for Vulcan blood temperature.Ten-K (talk) 06:03, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

I know this thread is getting sort of old, but a couple of comments in case someone cares. McCoy clearly referred to Spock as "green-blooded" in at least one episode, and Spock bleeds green in at least one episode. I don't know that the color needs a source, but the "copper based" might. I have no doubt that copper-based is correct, but I don't have a source. Cresix (talk) 01:42, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Could this be used as a citation: http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Vulcan#Physiology It looks like there are several references to actual episodes and other information available. --Xyzzy529 (talk) 19:53, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Life span

no where in here is the life span of the vulcan. --196.207.35.246 (talk) 10:32, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Adding uncited info

We are getting a lot of uncited - or poorly-cited - info being added to the article. We are getting definitions as to how long Vulcans live, the definitions/translations from the fictional language Vulcan. While we teeter dangerously close to in-universe writing, I am going to have to insist that we include only those bits of information that can be cited to secondary sources. This means we do not cite previous episodes for our intuitive/interpretive leaps. There have literally been hundreds of books published about every aspect of Star Trek. Surely someone can take a moment and do some research, find a solid-enough citation for use. - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 15:17, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Need explanation

The article needs to explain why in the new JJ Abrams film, Romulans are just as strong as the Vulcans, when, traditionally in the Star Trek cannon, unless I haven't been paying attention or just plain dumb, far as I know, the Romulans, physical strength wise, were only on the same level as humans. Then all of a sudden in the Abrams film, a Romulan picks up Kirk by the neck as if though he were a little kid. Please expand the article to cover that major hole, or someone please answer the question.

67.148.120.100 (talk) 11:28, 20 May 2009 (UTC)stardingo747

(this "issue" addressed at Talk:Romulan#Needs_Expansion.2C_something_not_clear; no need for duplicate dialogue here). --EEMIV (talk) 10:32, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Stoicism

How come there's no mention of stoicism (the philosophy)? JAF1970 (talk) 19:45, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

What does it have to do with this article? Alastairward (talk) 20:56, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Main charaters

The first papagraph states that a Vulcans and or half a vulcan feature as main charaters in 3 out of 6 Star Trek series. Spock features in TOS and TAS, Tuvok in Voyager and T'pol in Enterprise. So the intro should say Vulcans feature in 4 out of 6 series. Or 3 out of 5 seires since TOS and TAS have all the same charaters. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.219.70.243 (talk) 16:52, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

You are right. I changed the article to say that. --Kobraton (talk) 15:20, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Vulcan language

"Trekkie dweebs" are often represented in comedy as using a fictional Vulcan language, most recently in the movie Paul. There's no mention of it here. Does it exist as a Trekkie phenomonom or not. If it does, shouldn't it be covered? DeCausa (talk) 01:05, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Good question. You might look around for some reliable sources. I remember Spock once explaining to a human that she would find it impossible to pronounce his name in the Vulcan language, so it may be hard to find details, if there are any. There's an article on Klingon language, so who knows? Cresix (talk) 01:16, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Uh-oh. Am I getting confused with Klingon? I'm sure it's Vulcan in Paul. DeCausa (talk) 01:26, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

There is a whole tutorial on Vulcan language: http://www.stogeek.com/wiki/Category:Vulcan_Language_Institute Serdaigle (talk) 02:43, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Some resources. The best is perhaps to contact one of the many to get a section, and preferably an own page, regarding the language.

• Vulcan Language Institute Reclamation Project at stogeek.com, The Star Trek Online Geekipedia
• Gen-Lis Vuhlkansu , The Vulcan Language at Livejournal
• Korsaya.org, dedicated to the preservation of Vulcan culture and language during the tragic forced diaspora of the children of the lost planet in the post-T’Khasi era …
• Short discussion at stackexchange.com
• Vulcan Language Dictionary (VLD) about 10400 words
• Another dictionary at redradar.net
• www.lulu.com/product/paperback/the-vulcan-language/54300
  Book with "… complete introduction to Vulcan culture, language, ritual and tradition. Also included are a Vulcan dictionary and series of language lessons that will teach you this ancient and time honored tongue of wisdom …"
  (This domain, lulu.com, is blacklisted by wikipedia. I have not checked why.)

A book written from the data at vulcanlanguage.com, now only accessible by archive.org etc.

The project, as far as I gather, has been moved to stogeek, (first link above), at least they use the same name "The Vulcan Language Institute®"

• http://web.archive.org/web/20070226080450/http://home.teleport.com/~vli/vlif.htm

Lebaramebara (talk) 20:54, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Are these sources related to the use of the vulkan language in the new media, or the language in general. Is that whats being referred to in the first question? It seems like the other comments are not awnsering the question so I just wanted to clarify whats goin on.Millertime246 (talk) 20:58, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

My response was for the language in general. As I read of "Does it exist as a Trekkie phenomonom or not." and read it as does it exist a Trekkie linguistic phenomena. When it comes to the use of the language in popular culture (movies etc.) outside the Star Trek franchise, I have observed it, but, can't pinpoint it now … Lebaramebara (talk) 21:12, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

chtia

what is "cthia" ? the article "cthia" redirects to "vulcan" but there it is not mentioned. are both the exact same? so cthia another name for vulcan? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.61.9.75 (talk) 08:30, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

A brief but inaccurate description: Cthia is both the Vulcan idea of logic (the "reality-truth" of what is) as well as the religio-philisophical idea of Vulcan logic. Cthia is the philosophy taught by Surak which allowed Vulcans to gain control of their emotion and thoughts. It is cthia that makes Romulans and Vulcans act and think differently from each other. "Logic" is the usual, but inaccurate, translation of the word (Amanda Grayson is credited with the fault of the inaccurate translation within the ST universe).

Cthia redirects to this article, but nowhere in the article is it mentioned (even though it is mentioned and wiki-linked in many other Wikipedia articles). Either "cthia" should be added to this article, or it should be added to some other appropriate article and the redirect should be updated.

— al-Shimoni (talk) 20:36, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

genuine imitation blueberry bits

This was an ingredient of Aunt Jemima pancake mix that Consumer Reports once lambasted. Similarly...

"In the 22nd century of the fictional Star Trek universe..."

Star Trek is, itself, fictional, rendering the use of the word (in this context) at best, confusing. Therefore, you mean...

"In the 22nd century of the fictional fictional Star Trek universe..."

The best way of handling this is to say "non-canonical".

"In the 22nd century of the non-canonical Star Trek universe..."

Homeworld

The article states that in The City on the Edge of Forever Kirk points out to Edith that Vulcan is circling the left star in Orion's belt. I have watched this episode and checked a transcript of the episode (section noted here) from http://www.chakoteya.net/StarTrek/28.htm.

EDITH: Why does Spock call you Captain? Were you in the war together? KIRK: We served together. EDITH: And you don't want to talk about it? Why? Did you do something wrong? Are you afraid of something? Whatever it is, let me help. KIRK: Let me help. A hundred years or so from now, I believe, a famous novelist will write a classic using that theme. He'll recommend those three words even over I love you. EDITH: Centuries from now? Who is he? Where does he come? Where will he come from? KIRK: Silly question. Want to hear a silly answer? EDITH: Yes. KIRK: A planet circling that far left star in Orion's belt. See?

I have never read anywhere that the poet Kirk is speaking of is from Vulcan, as the section of the transcript demonstrates. I vote for deletion of that portion of the article as being unsubstantial. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Historyeducator (talk • contribs) 10:16, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

The section on the Vulcan homeworld currently says, "In several non-canon works, Vulcan is also claimed to be located in the triple star system 40 Eridani, less than 17 light-years from Earth." This is confusing. 40 Eridani A is the primary star in the 40 Eridani system. To say that Vulcan is "also claimed" to be there makes it sound as if the author of that sentence thinks 40 Eridani is different in some important way than 40 Eridani A.

Ethics

Looking at Vulcan ethics isn't original research, but rather something clearly mentioned and noted on multiple occasions in the various Star Trek series. Vidur10 (talk) 07:49, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Vulcan ethics

Vidur10, the text you keep restoring (the paragraph that starts "In the Star Trek universe, Vulcans are often seen to follow a utilitarian attitude to morality...") is a textbook example of original research. Please read or re-read WP:NOR. If Star Trek episodes actually compared Vulcan ethics to utilitarianism, it would be quite appropriate to note that; however, to my knowledge, they do no such thing. The comparison to utilitarianism is simply something a Wikipedia editor invented, and needs to be kept out of the article. FreeKnowledgeCreator (talk) 07:56, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Star Trek doesn't have to compare Vulcan ethics to utilitarianism, however, because "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" is a textbook example of utilitarianism, with the founder of utilitarianism, Jeremy Bentham, having sated that "the greatest happiness of the greatest number is the measure of right and wrong". To a human audience, the term 'utilitarian' is the best way to describe such ethics. Vidur10 (talk) 08:07, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Wrong. Your comment is either an attempt to justify original research, which is strictly ruled out by WP:NOR, or else simply reflects a confused and incorrect understanding of the policy, which you seriously need to take a more careful look at. Whether Vulcan ethics is "obviously" utilitarianism to you does not make a difference; it is still original research if there is no reliable source characterizing it in those terms. It appears that you do not have any serious case for restoring that material. FreeKnowledgeCreator (talk) 08:15, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

I disagree. By definition, the term "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" is utilitarian. Nevertheless, like their martial arts which has similar human counterparts, we can state that their ethical system is most similar to the human ethical system of utilitarianism. Their ethical system can be described as satisfying the preferences of the greatest number of people, even if it means that the needs of a smaller number of people are sacrificed. Then, we can evidence this with the sources I've already presented, as well as other material from the series which I will add. Vidur10 (talk) 08:27, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

You just don't get it. It simply doesn't matter what you happen to think is or is not by definition utilitarian. By describing Vulcan ethics as utilitarian without a reliable source, you are engaging in original research. You have no justification for doing that under WP:NOR. FreeKnowledgeCreator (talk) 08:32, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

There isn't a direct quote from Star Trek explicitly stating that it is utilitarian, but plenty of moral philosophy books and indeed even a Supreme Court stated that the Vulcan axiom is utilitarian. Nevertheless, I've already outlined, above, an alternative course of action which will put your worries to rest. Vidur10 (talk) 08:38, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

The bottom line is that you need to provide a reliable source directly stating that Vulcan ethics is a form of utilitarianism (TV episodes that do not mention utilitarianism don't count). If you cannot provide a suitable reliable source, the material will simply have to be removed. FreeKnowledgeCreator (talk) 08:40, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Vulcan Salute

I have not been involved in editing this page, as I know very little about Vulcans and Startrek. However, I wanted to point out that the photo of a "vulcan salute" at the bottom of the article is not correct. Please look at the images in a Google.com search for vulcan salute to see Spock (Leanord Nimoy) doing it correctly. I suggest that an active editor here replace the photo with something more appropriate. Personally, I really like the photos of spock doing it. It is exactly like the Jewish priestly blessing which is stilled employed today by rabbis, by parents blessing their children, etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Howardlhoffman (talk • contribs) 19:23, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

STOP ADDING WP:OR TO ARTICLE

...and resolve the half decade of this morass of editor original research (or plagiarism or fabrication). This article, in this blog-state since at least 2012, should be culled to just its sourced material. It is an insult to the notion that this site is an encyclopedia. If we want a fan wiki, we would go to one. 67.184.62.39 (talk) 14:36, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

Language

Is Vulcan a polysynthetic language? Is there any die-hard Star Trek and linguistics fans who can assert me on this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ganeshdevisettin (talk • contribs) 14:30, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

I would say no. Mark Okrand created the Klingon language and decided to go all-out and write an entire book, and it is clearly plysynthetic. He never did that with Vulcan, so it is hard to say since we don't have a book on the language. We only see Vulcan translated a few times, most notably in the first few feature films, and the word-count spoken tends to match the word-count in the captioned translation. For example, when Saavik says to Spock upon meeting Kirk in ST:II (and I'm using phoenetics here) "eesh veeni...comi" translated to "He's so...human". If you listen to the scene, Spock's reply is equally 1:1 spoken word vs translation. StarHOG (Talk) 15:56, 31 December 2019 (UTC)