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This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was KEEP. --TenOfAllTrades | Talk 03:46, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Sisu

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Foreign language dictdef. RickK 05:16, Mar 4, 2005 (UTC)

  • Keep. The concept of sisu is an important part of Finnish culture and requires more than just a dictdef to explain. — JIP | Talk 05:34, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
    • This is the English Wikipedia, not the Finnish Wikipedia. RickK 05:36, Mar 4, 2005 (UTC)
      • I consider sisu one of the extremely few Finnish words that can be loaned into English, like sauna. — JIP | Talk 05:39, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
        • Can you provide examples of the use of this word in normal English discourse? RickK 06:42, Mar 4, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep if it's an important part of Finnish culture, like wabi-sabi in Japanese culture. Kappa 07:12, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep It's one of the words most often used when, in English, referring to Finnish mentality or culture. Johan Magnus 07:29, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • Maybe so, but there are several articles on Finland and Finnish things in the English wikipedia, and Sisu isn't mentioned there, except as the name of a tank and a metal band. By comparison, 'sauna' is extensively used. As such, weak delete until notability is further established. Radiant! 10:00, Mar 4, 2005 (UTC)
    • "Sisu" is also a very common brand of liquorice-flavoured candy in Finland. — JIP | Talk 10:01, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
    • Here's one where it's mentioned: Johan Ludvig Runeberg. And Finland lists it as one of the "Characteristics of Finnishness". Kappa 14:06, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
      • Ah, thanks for that. For some reason, googling 'sisu site:en.wikipedia.org' didn't find Mr. Runeberg. Ok, vote changed to Keep. Radiant! 13:32, Mar 7, 2005 (UTC)
    • Sauna is a functional loanword to English, used also for non-Finnish saunas. Sisu is only a citate-borrowing used when referring to things Finnish. That's a huge difference. You can write on things related to Finnish without introducing the term, but it helps a lot. Johan Magnus 17:38, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. RickK: "This is the English Wikipedia, not the Finnish Wikipedia." no it isn't. It's the English-language version of Wikipedia, not just an encyclopedia of English things. Surely an encyclopedia should teach us about cultures other than just our own. Kevintoronto 14:51, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
    • I wonder how many aspects of English language nations have articles in the other language Wikipedias? RickK 19:33, Mar 4, 2005 (UTC)
      • Most of them, I would guess. Burschik 15:59, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. Seems like an important aspect of Finnish culture. Android79 17:21, Mar 4, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep only if the intention is to write about the historical and cultural aspects of the concept, and its prevalence in brand names. Delete if the intention is merely to duplicate Wiktionary:sisu and write about the word. Uncle G 17:41, 2005 Mar 4 (UTC)
  • Keep. I agree with Kevintoronto. This is a significant concept. Binadot 17:49, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • Though I generally agree with my pal RickK, I fear this is one of those few times that I'm voting a bit differently. Keep. Interesting, encyclopedic and culturally significant. - Lucky 6.9 21:00, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. This is a good beginning for an article. It's notable! --Neigel von Teighen 21:02, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. The article ought to be better, but that's no reason for deletion. (I can not at all understand the arguments for moving this to the Wiktionary.) Ruhrjung 02:15, Mar 5, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep, culturally important. ComCat 02:25, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep; notable. The first Finnish word I learned, in the context of reading about the Winter War. Could make an excellent article. Antandrus 02:53, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • Seems keepworthy. DS 14:42, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. Widely mentioned in articles on Finnish subjects. Capitalistroadster 10:54, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. We need this at least as a disambiguation page; the various products with Sisu in their brand name are notable. jni 17:24, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. Completely agree with Kevintoronto, FWIW. James F. (talk) 17:49, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. This is more than a foreign language dictdef. Jonathunder 06:02, 2005 Mar 7 (UTC)
  • Keep. This isn't just another Finnish word; anyone who knows anything about Finland should know about the concept of "sisu". - Mustafaa 06:14, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep, and extremely so. Another invalid nomination which further illustrates that VfD is the cancer of Wikipedia. —RaD Man (talk) 08:01, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)
    • False on both counts. The nomination, for an article being a dictionary definition, was a perfectly proper one; and VFD is not "the cancer of Wikipedia". VFD is just a gardening tool. It is Willy on Wheels that is the cancer of Wikipedia. Uncle G 19:22, 2005 Mar 8 (UTC)
  • Keep - David Gerard 17:45, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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