Talk:Thirteen (2003 film)

Thirteen (2003 film) was a Media and drama good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

Article milestones
Date	Process	Result
May 21, 2009	Good article nominee	Not listed

Comments

Note that the title is lower case, and should stay thirteen, not Thirteen. RickK 05:56, 14 Feb 2004 (UTC)

This seems a little ambiguous. Yes the poster is lower case, but just about everywhere else (including the Fox Searchlight site) has it upper case. --Lee Hunter 14:28, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Editing AntonioMartin's edits

Changes: revert title to proper lowercase; remove lesbianism referece (which was very short and very minor plot point in movie); fix wording and bias (e.g.: "It should be noted that the parents had problems of their own." (para)); remove inaccuracte reference to Nikki Reed's character's "mother" (cousin raised her, not mother): cousin was unemployed actress and employed bartender, not stripper. 69.140.241.69 06:59, 3 May 2005

Controversy

I added as much as I could to the "controversy" section, but it can defiently be expanded. Anyone who can help with it, please do. --Courtkittie 07:08pm, 11 July 2005

References

There is a discussion taking place at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Films#References_in_Popular_Culture_Project about such sections, to which you are all invited to contribute. The JPS 12:29, 15 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Intentionally misleading?

How exactly? Did it have trailers making it out to look like a comedy or something?--Josh 19:34, 30 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Gymnastics- exactly where in the film is there any reference to Tracy taking gymnastics? Anorexic- Evie does not introduce Tracy to anorexia. Apart from her occasional refusal of food Tracy does not display any sign of suffering from this disorder.

Gymnastics - I believe there is a brief allusion to gymnastics at the beginning of the film. Before Tracy becomes Evie's friend, I think that she mentions that she has to go to gymnastics. I think it is one of the scenes before Tracy endeavours to ring Evie's mobile. (Galaxycat (talk) 21:37, 9 September 2010 (UTC))[reply]

Title is UPPERCASE!!!

Yes you heard me right. The title of this film is uppercase. According to the studio's official site http://workingtitlefilms.com/film.php?filmID=29 it is written in uppercase. There are plenty of films that are advertised in uppercase or lowercase. These are just for marketing purposes. I suggest we change this to Thirteen (film). Parable1991 02:12, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Having it in lowercase seems to be a too literal interpretation of the poster.

Peter ^Isotalo 12:57, 3 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Agree. Changed. ConDem^Talk 19:04, 3 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Airduster

In the beginning, they're inhaling compressed air, but in real life if you've ever heard someone talk after inhaling compressed air (at least some brands), it deepens their voice. I don't know if this is notable. And if you don't know what it can do, I suggest reading this. Dangerous stuff. But as for whether or not to note this difference, I can't decide. Zchris87v 04:54, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Plot

I am not sure that I agree with a few of the elements of the plot summary, but before wading in and modifying other peoples' work I thought I would run some elements to change past the Community:

I got the impression that the cutting began prior to meeting Evie as a response to things going on her life already.
I would not characterize her as "a tad naive", particularly with the home situation that she had, a mother in The Program, with a boyfriend in the half-way house, divorce, etc. This implies a bit of life-experience, and bit of understanding of how the world works. She is just a kid. Prior to meeting Evie, her priorities were playing with Barbie and getting good marks.
I never saw this "deep jealousy" she feels toward Evie. When Evie leaves her alone, she feels lonely and not accepted. She feels insecure, alone, and not accepted. This is the motivations I saw in the film.
As for her "bad reputation", I am not sure that that was portrayed at all in the film (the value judgements of peers were not really emphasized.) Her old friends were disappointed, but not really judging, and her new friends thought she was great.

It is just the way that the plot summary is phrased that shades it in such a way that I do not find it captures the film. (Besides the elements in the plot summary that I just found lacking factually from the film.) However, I am afraid that if I try to write a whole new plot summary, it will turn out that others find it equally shaded, but I would like to correct out the elements that I just did not see. I am not sure how long to leave for comment on this point though (in WikiCulture). Anyway, I will give it a week or so and see if I can take a stab at writing something that does match my experience of the film.

142.68.51.12 (talk) 19:33, 26 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The plot description is rather incomplete24.90.116.17 (talk) 03:03, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

On top of being incomplete, it is poorly written almost to the point of being incoherent. It needs to focus less on specifics and gather more of a general idea of what happens in the film. The plot summary should be cited with references from sources rather than one viewers interpretation of what happens throughout the movie. Mrathel (talk) 13:47, 4 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This seems to be a problem with so many film plot summaries on Wikipedia, it is good to be grateful for anybody who takes the time to do so but it really seems like someone writing an involuntary school assignment on quite a few that I have seen. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.74.224.3 (talk) 16:24, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Poems in the film?

Some girl in my English II claims she wrote the poems used in the film , and her brother published them . She claims they were used because the "film was an indie." Is that bs.71.149.161.4 (talk) 12:38, 15 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Most likely yes (statistically). And might I remind you of WP:NOTFORUM. PopMusicBuff ^talk 02:50, 6 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Behind the scenes"

I think this section should be removed from the article. It is clearly just a trivia section (see Wikipedia:Trivia sections), and it doesn't cite any sources. Jack324 (talk) 06:43, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, someone recently changed the name from "Trivia" to "Behind the scenes," probably trying to avoid it getting removed. If someone doesn't want it removed, most of the things can be cited to the commentary of the movie (of which I have listened to and most things in "Behind the scenes", I think, come from it). You can read this stuff on IMDb anyway, and as there's a link to it on this page, I agree that "behind the scenes" can be removed. --Zoton2 (talk) 14:24, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Thirteen (film)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Sorry, but I'm going to quick-fail this article primarily because of the lack of sources. Two references is simply not enough to substantiate everything claimed in a good article, and there are many other things that need to be fixed before this can be promoted.

Big chunks of text are missing citations, e.g. whole first paragraph of Production
The non-free images should be removed as they are only illustrative
The introduction needs to be expanded so it covers everything in the article (see WP:LEAD)
The Reception section needs excerpts from reviews and box office figures
The pop culture references does not serve much encyclopedic purpose and should probably be removed if sources can't be found to illustrate that the film's use of pop culture references was particularly notable
The Soundtrack section can be expanded with information about the music and the physical soundtrack CD

This article will need a lot more work to get to GA status, but it can be done. MOS:FILM is a great page outlining what a decent film article should look like, which you may find useful. If you need any help, feel free to leave me a message or ask the Film WikiProject's participants at WT:FILM. Good luck with improving the article! —97198 (talk) 07:42, 21 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Plot

Has too many details and no cites.Parkwells (talk) 16:55, 29 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Psychological Background

The 'Psychological Background' section of the article has no outside citations and generally seems out of place. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.97.250.116 (talk) 19:35, 31 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

thats why im moving the whole thing here, which is really an unnecessary courtesy. someone needs to find citations for someone else saying these things in relation to this film. even citing DSM4 is original research if connecting it to this non-documentary film.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 07:05, 2 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

In the film, Tracy “cuts” herself as a method of coping with her emotional reactions to both her parents’ divorce and her tumultuous home-life. Tracy’s cutting is a form of self-harm. Self-harm is defined as the intentional, direct injuring of body tissue, done without suicidal intention. According to the DSM-IV-TR, Self-harm is listed as a symptom of borderline personality disorder. However, individuals with other diagnoses as well as high-functioning individuals may also employ self-harm for a variety of reasons. In Thirteen, Tracy harms to relieve her intense anger, depression and anxiety after highly emotional moments involving conflicts with her family and Evie. Before Tracy forms a relationship with Evie and engages in drug use, sex and illegal activities, psychological factors place her at higher risk for developing self- harming habits. Those who experience a childhood with troubled parental relationships have a higher incidence of the behavior later in life. Poverty is also another contributing factor. Because of Melanie’s alcohol abuse, her marriage fails and she struggles to provide for her family. Melanie also creates relationships with poor influences, with both Brooke and Brady, which traumatize and create stress for Tracy. These elements compromise pre-cursors to self-injury. Because Tracy is overwhelmed with emotion-inducing stressors, she follows the “hyperstress” model of self-harm. The behavior itself is triggered when an additional stressor, her drug and alcohol abuse, is introduced and combined with the rising tension within her dysfunctional family because of her destructive behaviors. In addition to the consistence of Tracy’s pre-disposition and eventual resolution to self- harm to actual causes and theories of the behavior, Tracy’s character depiction is also realistic. Typically people ages 12-14 are most likely to engage in the behavior. Similar to the way in which Tracy conceals her cuts, people who self-harm intentionally harm areas of the body that are easy to hide.

Requested moves

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: moved DrKiernan (talk) 17:18, 3 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thirteen (film) → Thirteen (2003 film)
13 (film) → 13 (2010 film)

– I don't believe the current setup is enough to distinguish the films, see e.g. [1] [2] [3] [4]. In fact I'm not sure whether the 2010 film should be titled Thirteen (2010 film). Besides, there's a film Thirteen (1974 film). Timmyshin (talk) 02:40, 25 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. The current titles should point to the disambiguation page -- 65.94.171.225 (talk) 04:53, 25 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support Per nom. And also see the same sort of setup for 3 (film) and Three (film) too. Lugnuts ^{Dick Laurent is dead} 06:52, 25 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support as nom. And someone please fix 3 (film) and Three (film) per User:Lugnuts. In ictu oculi (talk) 10:25, 25 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support. There is no primary film titled "Thirteen" (or "13"). bd2412 T 14:21, 25 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support Add dates to all as proposed because this amount of disambiguation is justified. Blue Rasberry (talk) 18:02, 26 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Currently, Ocean's Eleven and Ocean's 11 lack disambiguation due to a move July of last year that stripped the disambiguation terms. (Discussion can be seen here.) If the consensus here is compellingly in favor of this kind of disambiguation, it may be worth revisiting Ocean's Eleven. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 18:21, 26 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support no primary topic, 13 and Thirteen are too similar. —innotata 20:33, 27 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Small Hidden Details

The film changes into a dark greenish/blue as Tracy gets worse.

Evie's eyes are constantly seen in the movie and become dirtier as Tracy starts to dislike her.

Most of Evie's friends wear silver necklaces with their names on it.

Tracy mental state becomes worse after hanging out with Evie. 2601:2C7:8500:84F0:F185:8431:6F89:5A5D (talk) 00:59, 30 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Clothing style in 13 (2003)

Does anyone know the clothing style/aesthetic of this movie? 24.19.56.213 (talk) 05:55, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]