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Cheers, Sam [Spade] 21:39, 3 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I see you have recently contributed to the article cricket. May I invite you to a new WikiProject to improve the quality and depth of cricket articles on Wikipedia. It's located on Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket. I'm taking the approach of let's see who's interested and let's see which bits we want to improve/expand to begin with. Once we know that, hopefully we can work together to improve Wikipedia's cricket coverage. jguk 16:30, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Merge template

I wholly disagree. Furthermore it doesn't say anywhere on the Duplicate articles page that the merge template is exclusively for this use. I've seen it used very successfully to incorporate related smaller articles under a single umbrella topic. While I will acknowledge that the Polgara the Sorceress article happens to be fleshed out enough to stand alone (if stand alone it must, even if it would make more sense to put it with the other Eddings characters) it is the only exception among the various Belgariad/Malloreon character articles. Really they should all be put in the Belgariad under a Characters heading with subsets and referred to in the Malloreon article.
23:17, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
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LOL--I didn't disagree about Polgara. I merely disagreed about the use of the merge template.
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stijfburgerlijkheid is dutch?

Jeez...I was going to remove that too before I realized it had some germanic roots and decided to look in the history. That gave me quite a laugh. — Ilγαηερ (Tαlκ) 20:08, 17 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Use case

Um, Thanks for fixing my botch! I can't understand what I did there. Scratching my head... --Ligulem 13:58, 17 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Italics

Thanks for the note: see Talk:The Voyage of the Dawn Treader.

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QED

Thanks for tabulating that. I always thought that was getting a bit of an exhaustive list, of kinda "what is not QED in other languages". Your treatment is good, there. I still think it somewhat bizarre to define something by what it is not, but that will have to wait, yours is a good first step.

Best wishes Si Trew (talk) 08:03, 4 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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A couple more puzzles for you, and very much thanks for AGF Si Trew (talk) 08:15, 4 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah I was worried too that I had cut it back too much. More at my talk page. Si Trew (talk) 08:30, 4 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

EPUB logo

What was wrong with the jpg image I uploaded before? Why was it replaced with a png version? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Quillaja (talk • contribs) 07:04, 2 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Regular star polygons

Hi Perey,

I really like your work on File:Regular_Star_Polygons-en.svg, especially the diagonal lines linking those derived from the same primitive, so hope you don't mind that I updated it as on the right:

Swapping rows and columns lets me fit more n along with Schläfli symbols without it being too tall.
Colour-coding polygons consisting of multiple "parts".
Shading the background of those derived from the same primitive.
Adding a legend to avoid cluttering up the main graphic and filling up the empty space.

I also think that ordering them in increasing q shows highlights the more interesting star polygons — those with higher q look very similar, just sharper corners.

I've reduced n to 12 as I think the stars appear more and more similar as n increases. 12 is also a multiple of 2, 3 and 4. Lastly, I won't need as many different background shades.

Please let me know if you've any thoughts on this.

Thanks,
cmɢʟee⎆τaʟκ 18:49, 12 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Cmglee: It would be rather mean of me to complain about your version, since (a) all I did was port an existing image to SVG (and take the opportunity to add a few more convex polygons), and (b) you do such fantastic work! (No false flattery—I found myself browsing through your user page before replying here, and periodically going "hey, it's that image" or "hey, I wish I'd seen that image before".) Your image manages to give both more information and more clarity, and I wholeheartedly approve. -- Perey (talk) 12:01, 13 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your very kind words, Perey. It's feedback like yours that maintains my interest in contributing to Wikipedia :-) I'm also impressed with the work you've done on Commons, thanks especially for fixing "Crises" on File:Moon_names.svg cmɢʟee⎆τaʟκ 12:45, 13 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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If you mean | this revert , the article is called "Dhole" and what I removed were areas where they were being labeled as "Bholes". As the title calls them "DHOLES" , the "Bhole" addition appeared incorrect. That's why it was removed. KoshVorlon} 18:31, 19 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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How did you make your edit to "Scorpio (astrology)"

How did you make this edit to Scorpio (astrology). I often find myself dealing with these characters and would like to know more about how to handle them.

First, how did you figure out which invisible character(s_ to use.

Second, how did you get the character(s) into Wikipedia? Jc3s5h (talk) 18:59, 5 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Jc3s5h: Nothing fancy, I'm afraid. I just copied the character from the first sentence of the article and pasted it into the hatnote!

I'm sure that some mobile user with an emoji keyboard would be able to enter them more directly, but I'm just typing at a regular computer. I can't speak for every browser, but Firefox treats the symbol+invisible character combo as a unit and lets me copy and paste it without any trouble.

The invisible characters to use are U+FE0E VARIATION SELECTOR-15 for text presentation, and U+FE0F VARIATION SELECTOR-16 for emoji presentation. As you know, the template {{Emoji presentation}} can be used to add these in a way that's at least somewhat clear to other editors. So if you're ever stuck trying to put them somewhere that the template can't go, you can use the template somewhere safe and then copy and paste the result.

Actually, there's a better way, one that I perhaps should have used in the edit you mention. I've belatedly remembered that numeric character references can also be used to add these invisible characters. For instance, ♏︎ will produce "♏︎". They do look messy, though, as evidenced by at least one occasion when an editor went through and "cleaned them up"…

Oh, and to answer your question about knowing the characters to use: I learnt about them from Wikipedia, of course! And then I made {{Emoji presentation}} so that I wouldn't have to remember them. ;-) -- Perey (talk) 19:26, 5 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I'd be tempted to use ♏︎ so that when some bot goes around cleaning up invisible characters, quite a few editors will be able to recognize that something happened, even if they don't understand it at first. Jc3s5h (talk) 19:34, 5 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Revert

Perey, could you how me the section in the WP:MOS that sustains your edit? Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 13:05, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Rui Gabriel Correia: I didn't base that edit on the MOS, but on standard English usage. Quotation marks are used for things that are quoted, whether from a specific person or text, or from common usage. The examples in this edit are of the common usage kind:

Technically incorrect usage that is nonetheless common, namely calling the achenes on a strawberry "seeds"
Unusual, informal or dialectal usage, namely calling the capitulum of a dandelion a "clock"

These are what I was referring to as '"so-called" usages' in my edit comment (a so-called seed, a so-called clock).

If you really want something from the MOS, browse through MOS:ITAL. I think you'll agree that none of its categories ("Emphasis", "Titles", "Words as words", and "Scientific names" at the time of writing) cover this kind of usage. -- Perey (talk) 13:17, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Just as I thought ("I didn't base that edit on the MOS"). Kindly revert your edit, as there is no such thing as "Quotation marks are used for ... or from common usage". Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 13:38, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Rui Gabriel Correia: What? No. Why would I do that? Just because a feature of English usage isn't in the MOS, doesn't mean I can't apply it. And you asserting that "there is no such thing" does not make it vanish. Consider:

Quotation marks in English § Signalling unusual usage and § Nonstandard usage
Scare quotes ("…signal that they are using it in [a] referential, or otherwise non-standard sense. …they may imply … belief that the words are misused…") I would not describe the usage in this case as "scare quotes", because to me that term suggests a disdain for the usage being quoted, but the result is the same: Quotation marks are placed around the term that the author is attributing to a (perhaps non-specific) third party rather than employing in their own writing.
Grammarly, When to put quotation marks around a single word
Grammar.com, Chapter 12 - Quotation Marks
Stephen Wilbers, When to use – and not to use – quotation marks
et cetera, et cetera

If you want it reverted, you may start the "Discuss" phase of the BOLD, Revert, Discuss cycle on the article's talk page at your leisure. -- Perey (talk) 14:11, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Perey, there is so much of this on the project that an individual case does not warrant making a big deal out of, so I would just like to hear another opinion and have asked a colleague for one. I tagged you, so you will have received a notification. Thanks for the links. Regards, Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 14:52, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Rui Gabriel Correia indeed asked me to come weigh in as a speaker of another English dialect. My input is that yes, it is entirely normal and standard, when you have to make reference to a popular but technically incorrect term for something (such as achenes being commonly referred to as "seeds"), to mark that term with quotation marks. And no, just because the MOS doesn't already include a clause for that usage doesn't mean the usage is impermissible — because the MOS also doesn't contain any clause stating that we have a sitewide consensus to vary from standard usage in that context, such as by marking the word in italics instead of quotation marks, either. We don't necessarily need the MOS to list every last possible thing that happens in standard writing style — for example, just because the MOS doesn't comprehensively summarize every last feature of basic English grammar doesn't mean we don't have to write grammatically on here — and, for that matter, things can be added to the MOS if new points come up that people hadn't previously thought to add. So no, just because the MOS doesn't already make a special point of saying "use quotation marks in contexts where quotation marks are standard usage in English writing" doesn't mean we don't do that. Bearcat (talk) 15:17, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Bearcat I will henceforth analyse new occurrences that I come across from a less rigid position. One thing that I have come to accept is that a number of grammar fundamentals have over time become subjective. A case in point would be that/ which, which are now by and large used indiscriminately as synonyms. But, whenever I feel the wrong option has been used and change it, I have both UK ans US users saying the change has made it US/ UK usage respectively. So now I mostly leave it. Perey, happy trails. Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 09:34, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Rui Gabriel Correia and Bearcat: Thank you both for your input. And RGC: as a fellow nitpicker of grammar, please don't let this disagreement over a usage point discourage you from fighting the good fight. Even though language is always evolving, there's always a need for writing ~~which~~ that conforms to accepted usage! -- Perey (talk) 11:34, 3 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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